Why Glock?

[TheProf]

Why the Glock pistol? I believe it is due to the proven reliability track record.

But what I feel is most important is the the simple design of the pistol.... anyone can feel comfortable working on the pistol by themselves. It is this comfort level on working on the pistol that allow even the mechanically challenged to take a proactive approach in doing preventative maintenance (with out having to find a gunsmith).

Also the simple design of the pistol allow most anyone to understand exactly how the pistol works on the inside. All of this translates to having more confidence in the Glock pistol.

I just bought a CZ75 pistol recently. It's probably my favorite pistol as of today.

However, much to my dismay I have come to the conclusion this afternoon, after much soul searching, that I will be carrying my Glock 19 instead of the CZ. It all has to do with confidence with the pistol.

I understand how the parts the Glock pistol work and is CZ pistol not so much. This of course may change as I tinker around the CZ. Once I learn to change out the springs...I may start carrying it. But for now, it's the Glock.

 

[GunnyUSMC]

I'm aware of the Marksman barrel in the Gen 5, but what was the barrel change between the Gen 3 and Gen 4?

It’s the rifling that is different. It is so little that it’s hard to see, but in a forensic lab the bullets fired from a Gen4 barrel can be matched. With a Gen 1, 2 and 3, you can tell that they were fired from a Glock but hardly ever able to match the bullets.
Glock did offer what they called marking barrels for law enforcement. These barrels had a little different rifling that allowed for the bullets to be easier to match to a gun.
When we get a Gen4 in the lab we know we have a chance of matching bullets to the gun.

Gunny, my 43X also has the little groove. That gun throws brass farther than any Glock I have ever had before. I would assume that we will see the little groove on all Glocks before long.

I was wondering about that. I haven’t had a 43X or 48 apart yet. I too have been wondering if they were going to start doing that with the rest of their guns.
My buddy just got back from school for ATF Firearms Examiners. They went to the Glock factory. I’ll have to sit and pick his brain about what he learned.

 

[JTQ]

I too have been wondering if they were going to start doing that with the rest of their guns.

I am too.

Since the Gen 3 and Gen 4 are still in production, and if this improves ejection, something that has been an issue with both of those generations, it seems like it would be an easy mod to potentially improve both of those too.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

I read your post and you bash one Manufacturer,

I didn't bash anything. I simply stated that I wouldn't buy a Taurus under any circumstance. That's my personal preference and I'm entitled to it.

If you want to bet your life on a suboptimal (dare I say inferior ?) product that's your preference.


Having said that.

I've noticed a lot of comments about the Glock "Ergos". I have never had to use a Glock in a real world self defense incident. I have ran it though multiple stages in training though and I don't recall ever noticing how it felt in my hand.

The guns I have used in self defense (S&W model 915, S&W model 4006 and M&P40FS) the only thing I noticed was how sweaty my hands were, how big that front sight looked and EXACTLY were my trigger finger was. I couldn't describe to you how the "Ergos" on any of those guns felt like if my life depended on it.

 

[Labguy47]

Having said that.

The guns I have used in self defense (S&W model 915, S&W model 4006 and M&P40FS) the only thing I noticed was how sweaty my hands were, how big that front sight looked and EXACTLY were my trigger finger was. I couldn't describe to you how the "Ergos" on any of those guns felt like if my life depended on it.

That would be the dilation of the pupil and the adrenaline coursing through the veins getting ready to fight or flight. That goes away after awhile.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

That would be the dilation of the pupil and the adrenaline coursing through the veins getting ready to fight or flight. That goes away after awhile.

Yeah. Not my first rodeo there bud

 

[george29]

Don't own one but did use a 19x for qualification. It's the Toyota Corolla or VW Beetle of handguns. I used to be a hater but age brought wisdom. I really admire blowback pistols but 9mm is too powerful for it otherwise I would be singing the praises of a CZ82 in 9mm.

 

[P5 Guy]

"Why Glock?"

Why not Glock? My 34 and 26 have been flawless for years and years. They may not be the best looking but that means nothing to me.

 

[czhen]

Just picked Up a G17 GIII, almost unfired, being myself a SA/DA who migrated from 1911, HBP, CZ from 70's to actual times.
I will tell you Glock made it mostly wright from the begining of its production.
I'm not a fan of Glock, but have to be honest, my VP9, CZ P10C don't do nothing different than the G17.
HK, CZ and others have worked on a better geometry of grips and triggers reset, but nothing else was wrong.
Liked or not you can't denied Glock successful based on overall accuracy, parts supplies, reliability and so on.
Detractors might said grip angle and hundred of complains. However, mostly Glock owners shoot it very well.

 

[amprecon]

Glock is a product, obviously, like any other product, it either works for people or it doesn't. It works for some, yet others' feel it doesn't work so well for them. The design appeals to many and it works for them and they have confidence in it.

I find that a handgun, as a tool, has to have several features that make it appeal to me, not everyone else, but me. The answers to the following questions are comparative to other similar products I have used.
So, comparatively speaking and in my limited experience:

Dependability, reliability, does it work all the time, every time and under most conditions and even under general neglect and some extraneous conditions? In my experience, yes.

Quality, it is assembled well, how is the quality of the components? Is the fit and finish consistent? Are the tolerances consistent? How do other exact make/models compare to yours? Are they all the same and interchangeable or are there differences in finishes and/or tolerances and/or fitment?

What is it's purpose? To throw a projectile accurately, does it achieve this? For me, yes. Does the size and weight meet your requirements? For me, yes.

Do I feel it will last me a long time, will I get my money's worth out of it? How is it's wear and corrosion resistance compared to other similar products? How well does it withstand abuse and continue to perform compared to other similar products?

How user-friendly is it? How does it feel in your hand/ergonomics? How is it's operability? Is it confusing to use or is it easy to employ? Does it feel natural or awkward? When you use it, is it easy/natural to use or do you have to use extra effort to be accurate with it?

Aesthetics, how does it look to you, what are your standards? How important are looks to you? Do looks even matter? This is an area where some people will immediately decide whether they like it or not.

Not everyone has the same requirements for their handgun obviously, so to say one handgun is better than another is mostly subjective. As long as it serves the purpose you bought it for than it is the right one.

There are other similar products that would probably meet my requirements and I would be completely satisfied with and use effectively. But, as my first semi-auto handgun was a Glock 21, it is what I started with and it worked for me. Whenever I pick up another brand of handgun I immediately and without thinking about it, compare it to the Glock. So yes, I am biased, but I shoot Glocks well and feel confident with them so it is what I choose.

 

[Tallball]

As far as carrying what you shoot the best...

I have four 22lr handguns that are target-grade or close to it. I shoot those the best, but due to caliber and barrel length, they don't seem ideal for carry...

Next on my list are several 7.5" or longer large-caliber revolvers (and several other 6" caliber revolvers) that are also extremely accurate for me, but they are simply not carry-able IMHO.

My third-most-accurate handguns are some very large 4"-5" semi-automatics. I have several that are barely less accurate (for me) than my most accurate revolvers. Again, they are too large for me to CC with any kind of convenience and/or discretion.

So I carry the most accurate handguns that I can conveniently carry. They aren't as accurate at long range as my target-quality 22's, but at combat ranges I can draw them quickly and empty any of them quickly onto a small pie plate at 21 feet. For me that's plenty good enough.

 

[AK103K]

I would have thought that it would be understood, that "carry what you shoot best", was refering to "carry" guns, and not everything.

For me, the full sized handguns fit that bill perfectly, although things like a Glock 26 fits in there too, as it basically shoots the same as my 17's.

I normally carry a 17 year round. In the summer, I also carry the 26, as sometimes I need to leave the 17 in the car while at work, depending on whats going on and where I am.

Carrying a full sized gun isnt at all hard, but you do have to want to do it, and figure out what works best for you. Im not stuck with any kind of strict dress code these days, but I have been in the past, and still had no problems doing so.

 

[NWOBHM]

own a few other firearms, not one glock in the bunch, not from a hatred.
but the wife and I rented 20+ pistols years back to get an idea for a HD firearm, and the glock had multiple ftf, and fte's
it was a range gu, so it probably dirty,
none the less, she settled on he P227 and is happy.

 

[czhen]

NWOBHM
Also it might be bad quality reload.

 

[george29]

own a few other firearms, not one glock in the bunch, not from a hatred.
but the wife and I rented 20+ pistols years back to get an idea for a HD firearm, and the glock had multiple ftf, and fte's
it was a range gu, so it probably dirty,
none the less, she settled on he P227 and is happy.

Not knowing you but I'm thinking because you aren't used to the grip angle (which takes time to learn properly), you may have been limp wristing it for that many failures.
Long ago I bought a G17 and returned it because the grip didn't feel right to me (I was trained on 1911's and BHP). Even my M9A3 feels wrong as it was introduced after I was out of the service. But I did qualify with a borrowed G19X and had up to that point never shot a Glock so the kind hearted instructor told me how to grip it and that was that. I still don't own a Glock but realize it's popularity with people who use it to survive is well founded.
I almost never clean my gun other than a quick swipe and have never experienced a failure with a good quality SA. Now revolvers are an entirely different thing.

 

[tarosean]

you may have been limp wristing it for that many failures.

I believe we can credit Glock for bringing this into our vernacular.

 

[george29]

Probably

 

[Trunk Monkey]

I believe we can credit Glock for bringing this into our vernacular.

Not Libarace?

 

[george29]

I think Liberace is responsible for the word gay being that he was flamboyant and always smiling.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

Why Glock?
Because if you debate about it too long you will end up talking about dead gay pianists, that's why.

 

[JR24]

Why Glock?
Because if you debate about it too long you will end up talking about dead gay pianists, that's why.

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[Pat Riot]

I believe we can credit Glock for bringing this into our vernacular.

Oh, I don’t know about that. I distinctly remember the term “limp-wristing” in regards to the way some people shot their 1911’s at some of the competitions I used to go to.

But, I digress, everyone knows any man that shoots a 1911 would never have a limp wrist.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

 

[Trunk Monkey]

 

[NWOBHM]

Not knowing you but I'm thinking because you aren't used to the grip angle (which takes time to learn properly), you may have been limp wristing it for that many failures.
Long ago I bought a G17 and returned it because the grip didn't feel right to me (I was trained on 1911's and BHP). Even my M9A3 feels wrong as it was introduced after I was out of the service. But I did qualify with a borrowed G19X and had up to that point never shot a Glock so the kind hearted instructor told me how to grip it and that was that. I still don't own a Glock but realize it's popularity with people who use it to survive is well founded.
I almost never clean my gun other than a quick swipe and have never experienced a failure with a good quality SA. Now revolvers are an entirely different thing.

Grip angle as well. Shot my cousins .40 glock service pistol, still like other pistols better,
The Glock is a damn fine pistol, just not for us.
Sig, HK, CZ, GRIPS much better for us.

Maybe I’ll,pick up the 10mm Glock soon, always wanted one.