trapperjohn
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when did this happen? I heard nothing of it and could find nothing about it online.
He passed away.
The post below was from another forum I'm on.I have been to two stores in my area. All 9mm is gone except for defensive ammo, .38, .40 cal, .45 ACP are in short supply it's already hitting at least in my area. If they were legally binded to sell them ammo I would see if I could get out of that contract since they are no longer selling the best selling pistol and rifle ammo. I also highly doubt there is a contract more than an order
The gun counter was unstaffed and deserted.
Of course it will be phased. That is not the point the point is that they are running out of stock already and now prices are affected (from what I've seen) at other businesses. That's what happens when one vendor controls a fifth of the market placeThe post below was from another forum I'm on.
Bill
Last night I decided to stop in my local MaoMart to check out the ammo situation. It was late and this location is well known for being slightly rough around the edges, even by WalMart standards.
The gun counter was unstaffed and deserted. I peeked over the counter behind the glass and spied something I'd never seen before. 9mm 115gr 500 round bulk Winchester White Box. I have always bought their 100rd stuff. It was priced at $74.95 a box (seemed like a good price) so I called someone to sell me some. It took forever but finally the manager, a very nice middle aged woman came and unlocked the case. There were six boxes so I bought four (2K rounds) and left the other two for some gun show neckbeard to buy for resale.
The manager told me that it would be awhile before they quit selling it as she had heard that there were still large contracts that had to be honored. She added that in her opinion it was a stupid policy and would do nothing to stop mass shootings but she was a nobody and corporate could give a **** what the employees thought. I thanked her and went out of my way to be polite even though I had to wait ten minutes to be waited on.
As far as "boycotts", I gave up on that noble thought years ago. If I have a choice I'll avoid shopping at anti gun businesses, but bottom line, I won't take a hit financially or be inconvenienced. If I was on the other side, the LAST thing I'd like to hear is that someone like me was not only still shopping at WalMart, but getting a good deal on ammo. If I knew someone was paying extra or being inconvenienced, I'd feel a smug satisfaction that I'd pulled off a control move.
One of the companies I worked for years ago really went after Walmart's business. We won a regional contract to supply products. We had to hire more people and invest a lot of money to increase our inventory to meet the short delivery dates that Walmart expects. They want vendors to stock material, so they don't have to and its smart business. My company knew it was a contract with a end date, and it was a hard decision to hire more people and gear up for the increased volume with no guarantee after the contract expired, but it was "implied" that if we did our job correct and serviced them as was expected that we would have first refusal when it came time to renew. When that day came, we were offered a new contract but at a reduced price of a few percent which on the huge volume they bought was a lot of money and we were operating at a very low margin as it was. Our management bail on them and never looked back. Thankfully we had grown in other areas and didn't have to get rid of any of the new employees we had hired but the bottom line it felt like a set up. They give you a lot of volume, let you get the business plan operating and then put the screws to you so they can make a few extra percent profit. Up until I got personally got involved in that big deal, I never realized just how much 1 or 2% can affect a business but to a company that does the millions of dollars in sales a day such as Walmart, a percent is huge. But they are ruthless to deal with. I say bully to Hornady. I've always liked their ammo and reloading supplies and will support them even more after reading the interview.
Very true, and even some of them are fed up. I have friend that's been an AFLAC agent for 17 years. They used to have their business, lost it and were in negotiations to get it back. When Walmart demanded that none of their employees would wait on hold more than 10 seconds, AFLAC walked away from the business and suggested they stay with their current provider.My father sold to them once and it was enough and that was in the early days when they were just getting started into groceries. They were unpleasant to deal with as a supplier then and from what I hear have not improved over the years. Only the really big brands have any clout with them such as Coke, Procter and Gambill, etc.
If I tallied up all the time I've spent ringing the service bell at sporting goods I dont even want to know how many hours I spent waiting. Even after hailing some random employee to call up someone with the keys to the ammo counter. I always hated that.The gun counter was unstaffed and deserted.
I highly doubt that Hornady stopped doing business with Walmart because they didn't feel that Walmart supported the industry. More than likely, they stopped doing direct sales to Walmart because Walmart played hardball in their negotiations, which is a trait of Walmart's. Walmart (more than likely) wanted X amount of product on demand or at Y intervals for Z (low low low) price. Hornady would make money, but the margins would be extremely close. However, that would result in Walmart undercutting Hornady's other vendors and resulting in less sales to those vendors from whom Hornady made more profit per unit. In the end, it just wasn't a good deal for Hornady. It would result in them living or dying by Walmart, something Hornady mentioned he had knowledge about and didn't like. It all comes down to money, which is why Hornady is coming forward not to try to claim some of the business being thrown off by Walmart, capitalizing on the negative publicity.
Personally, I would argue that corporate mgmt does not care that much about individual customers or their communities either as the general service from them has been lacking.boom boom, I don't disagree, but I highly doubt Hornady stopped selling to Walmart purely on ethical industry support reasons. I think if that were the case, we would have heard a lot more about it in the last 12 years. In 2007, Walmart was still happily selling plenty of ammunition and rifles, no problem and we were all happy with Walmart based on the threads posted on THR.
You are absolutely right. Walmart doesn't give one iota about its individual vendors. Walmart is in the business to make money and they do a very good job of it.
boom boom, I don't disagree, but I highly doubt Hornady stopped selling to Walmart purely on ethical industry support reasons. I think if that were the case, we would have heard a lot more about it in the last 12 years. In 2007, Walmart was still happily selling plenty of ammunition and rifles, no problem and we were all happy with Walmart based on the threads posted on THR.
You are absolutely right. Walmart doesn't give one iota about its individual vendors. Walmart is in the business to make money and they do a very good job of it.
Never been in Dicks since they screwed Troy Industries and I don't care how good Dick's price is on ammo or goods.
See now thats the thing, a pretty short drive from me in NH is a wal mart, a gun shop and a Runnings. The gun shop and Runnings don't even come close to WM prices. I would love to support the Gun Shop but he wants like .65 cents a round for plain jane 55gr .223 ball ammo. I can (could) get it from WM for .28 cents a round. Its unfortunately a no brainer. I was also pretty surprised to see a big chain store like Runnings not really doing much better. $459 for a 1000 round case of Federal .223This is why I have always gone to Ace hardware, Academy sports and outdoors, Cabelas, and local dealers and gun shops for my guns and ammo. All of them have had competitive pricing or better selection than wal-mart. I won't be patronizing wal-mart even for groceries anymore thanks to their new ammo policy. I love voting with dollar bills.
As far as "boycotts", I gave up on that noble thought years ago. If I have a choice I'll avoid shopping at anti gun businesses, but bottom line, I won't take a hit financially or be inconvenienced. If I was on the other side, the LAST thing I'd like to hear is that someone like me was not only still shopping at WalMart, but getting a good deal on ammo. If I knew someone was paying extra or being inconvenienced, I'd feel a smug satisfaction that I'd pulled off a control move.
Jason Hornady doesn't say that he stopped for ethical reasons, he says that he had worked in another business that sold to Walmart and didn't like they way they treated their suppliers. He says that Walmart's lack of support for the firearms industry is part of the reason he doesn't sell to Walmart, not all of the reason.
I think if they only sold groceries, they would have to increase their prices. That would eliminate any reason to go to their stores for many. I buy most of my groceries at WM. Neighborhood Markets are popular here as well. Prices are exactly the same as regular WM supercenters. WM purchased some older stores that were previously chain type grocery stores that either moved out of the area or went out of business. They pretty much just sell mostly stuff that you see in modern grocery stores these days. I suspect they are doing fine. This increases their store density quite a bit....The dirty secret is that Walmart would probably go under if you only bought groceries there as the margins are just not there--they sell them so that they can sell you stuff with higher margins in other departments.