WI Gov. Signs Bill Eliminating 2 Day Wait

[Speedo66]

The gov. signed the bill today which in addition to eliminating a 2 day waiting period to purchase handguns, also allows active, retired, and out of state police to carry weapons on school grounds. Can we please hold the usual caustic comments about police?

Link to story here: http://host.madison.com/news/local/...cle_a8a5fd48-6cdc-58d4-bea7-2e0054a73a10.html

 

[Redstate]

Walker rocks! Well done

 

[wally]

Not caustic, but we are supposed to all be equal under the law. Police "on duty" (on the clock being paid!) have special powers, but off duty they should be same as me!

 

[Midwest]

Congratulations!
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[usmarine0352_2005]

Wisconsin Gov. Walker ends decades-old waiting period for handguns

Good.






http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...aiting-period-for-handguns/?intcmp=latestnews

Wisconsin Gov. Walker ends decades-old waiting period for handguns

Published June 24, 2015

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker signed two bills loosening his state's gun laws on Wednesday, including one ending the state's 48-hour waiting period for handgun purchases.

But the measures on Walker's desk predated the massacre and passed earlier this month in the GOP-majority Legislature with bipartisan support. The second measure would allow off-duty, retired and out-of-state police officers to carry firearms on school grounds. Backers of allowing off-duty and retired police officers to carry concealed weapons at schools said it would create another line of defense for students and teachers if a shooter attacks. Opponents said allowing non-uniformed officers to carry guns at schools could scare students. The new laws will take effect within the next week.

 

[Wishoot]

Thank goodness.

 

[Midwest]

They also have a thread on it here too

WI Gov. Signs Bill Eliminating 2 Day Wait


http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=782897
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[Lord Teapot]

Good.






http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...aiting-period-for-handguns/?intcmp=latestnews

note the opponent's argument

'if it doesnt wear a uniform, it is scary with a gun'

very scary these people are allowed to teach our children.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

I like that Walker was not only willing to sign such a law as the press was trying to stir up more gun control after Charleston; but that he proudly signed the law and invited the press to watch.

 

[savanahsdad]

I have missed out on some great deals and trades at gun shows over the years because of that dumb 48hr wait , looks like I'll have to start bringing more cash to the gun shows plus this should get more dealers to bring more hand guns to the gun shows

 

[steve4102]

The second measure would allow off-duty, retired and out-of-state police officers to carry firearms on school grounds.

Haven't seen the Bill, does it say if these "off-duty, retired and out-of-state" officers are required to have a WI permit to carry or not?

Without a WI issued permit these "officers" would be in violation of Federal law.

 

[Speedo66]

Haven't seen the Bill, does it say if these "off-duty, retired and out-of-state" officers are required to have a WI permit to carry or not?

Without a WI issued permit these "officers" would be in violation of Federal law.

Please explain. Normally, retired officers can carry anywhere without a permit if they follow the rules under LEOSA, subject to local rules as to where a permit holder can carry. Same for active officers from another state.

If the state now allows them to carry at a school, why would they be in violation?

 

[steve4102]

There is no exemption to the Gun Free School Zone Act for off duty, retired or out of State LEO under the LEOSA.

http://www.bluesheepdog.com/leosa-school-grounds/

The Federal Gun Free School Zones Act of 1995, Title 18 §922(q), does not provide an exemption for the off-duty possession of firearms on school grounds by police officers under the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act.

It is a violation of federal law for an off-duty LEOSA-qualified sworn officer to carry a gun within a school zone, which is defined in §921(a)(25) as “in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or private school” or “within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public, parochial or private school.”

LEOSA supersedes most state and local laws regarding off-duty LEO carry, but it does not override federal laws, such as the GFSZA of 1995.

 

[Wisco]

Finally Scottie does something that benefits me! Although I think the guy is an absolute joke of a human being, I am appreciative of this change that makes my gunlife easier.

Actually I'm thankful to the legislators who got this done...Now get them to go for Consitutional carry...

 

[Speedo66]

There is no exemption to the Gun Free School Zone Act for off duty, retired or out of State LEO under the LEOSA.

http://www.bluesheepdog.com/leosa-school-grounds/

I can't find the citation for it, but generally it requires permission to overcome laws pertaining to carry on school grounds. Wonder if that new law constitutes permission?

 

[steve4102]

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/922

(2)
(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
(iii) that is—
(I) not loaded; and
(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;
(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;
(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;
(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or
(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.

I don't think Retired or off duty equals "official capacity".

This is also not just "school grounds". This is 1000 feet from school property.

 

[oneounceload]

very scary these people are allowed to teach our children.

And they have been extensively since the 60s.

 

[Speedo66]

Steve4102: Thanks for the clarification.

Based on Section A of that Federal law, it appears that if the gun in question was manufactured in state, and not placed in general interstate commerce, like say a one off or a home made weapon, it wouldn't trigger Federal commerce statutes, and thus Federal involvement, and would be perfectly legal.