WI: JS columnist Eugene Kane strikes again

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Too bad Mr. Kane's dad didn't do a better job of teaching young Eugene the value of self-defense. Or did he not do so because the elder Mr. Kane could have gotten five years in a federal penetentiary for that "sawed-off" shotgun? Or do you even believe any of Eugene's story?

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Guns in homes create more risk than safety

Posted: April 28, 2007

Eugene Kane
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It seemed like a curious question to pose to a presidential candidate. But given current events, it wasn't totally irrelevant.

During last week's debate among Democratic candidates for president, NBC News anchor Brian Williams asked for a show of hands:

How many had ever kept a gun in their home?

After the massacre of 32 innocent people at Virginia Tech University by a deranged gunman, it seemed like a timely - albeit "loaded" - question for the men and woman vying to become the country's next chief executive.

Five of the eight - former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel, Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd and Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware - raised their hands. Front-runners Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards did not.

It's a safe bet this was one of the few times in history that a group of presidential candidates was asked if they were gun owners in such a prominent forum. I can't imagine someone asking George Washington or Abraham Lincoln if they owned a gun, or making any kind of judgment about their qualifications for office based on their answer.

Do you think anybody cared if Richard Nixon owned a gun? (OK, maybe.)

After the Virginia Tech shootings, the debate over whether tougher gun control laws could have prevented the rampage began anew, with each side accusing the other of exploiting the tragedy.

That the gunman bought handguns even with a history of mental instability underlined the need to close at least one glaring loophole. That the arrangement to purchase one of the guns was made on the Internet also demonstrated how easily people with dubious motives can get access to firearms in the age of point-and-click shopping.

After my column on the Virginia Tech shootings questioned why so many continue to tolerate the carnage caused by handguns, I heard from the usual suspects, too. They imagined me as another weak-minded pacifist with no knowledge of gun ownership and with no friends or family who advocate the use of guns for protection.

They are wrong.

If someone asked me the same question the Democratic candidates were asked, my answer would be yes. I grew up in a household where guns were kept.

My late father owned several guns during my childhood, including a heavy .357 Magnum pistol and a sawed-off shotgun he kept in the basement. A construction worker, my father had no real use for the guns other than the protection of his home and family in an inner city Philadelphia neighborhood that was tougher than some but nowhere as violent 40 years ago as some of Milwaukee's worst neighborhoods are today.

My father kept the pistol handy; on occasion it lay on the top of a dining room bureau in plain sight. After the sun set, my father would keep the gun by his bed table. If someone happened to ring the doorbell after a certain time of night, my father took the gun with him to the front door.

He told me that he practiced his aim by shooting garbage pails filled with dirt at various job sites. He never offered to teach me or my younger brother to shoot; it wasn't meant to be a skill passed down from father to son. I have never owned a gun and never intend to.

It was hard to imagine my father, with his hypertension and bad eyesight, using his weapon in a drastic situation. I suspect the gun was mainly intended to give him a sense of security in his home that had been lacking during an earlier time in his life.

The gun never represented real danger to me until my teenage years, when I often found myself fearful whenever trying to sneak back into the house after curfew. I knew the slightest sound would arouse my light-sleeping father to set off on patrol to find out the source of the noise.

The idea that he might shoot me by accident became more than enough motivation to get home at a reasonable hour.

There are many solid reasons why Americans own guns, but those who grow up with guns in the household understand it often represented more risk than safety. My father carried his handgun illegally for years. After he retired, he applied for his first carry permit, mainly to respect the wishes of a police officer who had moved onto his block.

To the best of my knowledge, my father never fired his gun at anybody.

I argue with National Rifle Association supporters all the time that the "Clint Eastwood" syndrome that convinces ordinary Americans they could defend themselves against an armed criminal is a dangerous fantasy that fuels much of the resistance to gun control. The people who envision a better conclusion in the Virginia Tech shootings if only students had been allowed to carry guns continue to delude themselves with a dubious scenario in which more guns equal less violence, not more.

I'm not sure if the fact that Obama, Clinton and Edwards rejected personal gun ownership makes them better candidates. But it does suggest the major players in this race recognize there are few good reasons for ordinary citizens to pack heat and way too many reasons why they should not. The same applies for most Americans if they don't allow paranoia and fear to dictate their actions.

We don't need more guns to feel safer in our homes; we need fewer. The next president can lead the way by example.

Contact Eugene Kane at (414) 223-5521 or [email protected].
 
So, is he suggesting that if Clinton, Obama or Edwards should (God forbid!) be elected, that they should instruct the Secret Service to disarm themselves when guarding the President?

The mind boggles...
 
I can't imagine someone asking George Washington or Abraham Lincoln if they owned a gun, or making any kind of judgment about their qualifications for office based on their answer.

I can't imagine asking either, but not for the same reasons this guy is suggesting. You'd be laughed off stage if you were living during those times and told people that you don't believe in self defense.

They imagined me as another weak-minded pacifist with no knowledge of gun ownership and with no friends or family who advocate the use of guns for protection.
They are wrong.
I have never owned a gun and never intend to.

Wait...I think "they" are right :neener:

The gun never represented real danger to me until my teenage years, when I often found myself fearful whenever trying to sneak back into the house after curfew. I knew the slightest sound would arouse my light-sleeping father to set off on patrol to find out the source of the noise.

The idea that he might shoot me by accident became more than enough motivation to get home at a reasonable hour.

His basic premise is that he has a fear of firearms in his youth because he chose to lie to his father and sneak out, returning home late, knowing full well his father figured his kid was home and would be cautious of "strange bumps in the night" in his part of town. Your own fault, but hey! Lets not take responsibility and blame someone...no, something else.

It was hard to imagine my father, with his hypertension and bad eyesight, using his weapon in a drastic situation.

Yes, hard to imagine because you can speak from personal experience? I guess those that aren't perfect physical specimens aren't capable of defending themselves at all. I guess people have never done anything extrordinary before in dire situations, and in dire shape.

I argue with National Rifle Association supporters all the time that the "Clint Eastwood" syndrome that convinces ordinary Americans they could defend themselves against an armed criminal is a dangerous fantasy that fuels much of the resistance to gun control.

Ah yes, the crux of his argument. We are too stupid to defend ourselves. Thinking we can intervene against the process of being mugged, raped, or killed is a dangerous fantasy.

It sounds like his childhood recollection plays more like a Kerry recollection in all honesty.
 
The only part I'm sure I believe is this:

NBC News anchor Brian Williams asked for a show of hands:

How many had ever kept a gun in their home?

Five of the eight - former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel, Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd and Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware - raised their hands. Front-runners Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards did not.

Rep. Kucinich is a leading gun control advocate in the House, who is planing to introduce legislation that would ban outright, the private ownership of handguns.

Senators Dodd and Biden both have a long history of supporting gun control bills in the Senate. If their past is any indicator of the future, they will support Kucinich's proposal to ban handguns.

But of course these worthy Democrats see no reason that THEY shouldn't have a handgun! :cuss:

They only propose to disarm the rest of us. :banghead:

As for Mr. Kane's story: His fater was obviously prepared to defend himself and his loved ones - if that became necessary. Should the father's son have too do the same he'll only be able to dial 911. The son was lucky to have the father he did.
 
This guy needs to go to the range and snap off a few hundred rounds. Anyone want to invite him and show him that guns don't Walk talk and pull threr own triggers?

Guns are not bad but some people are and bad people with guns = trouble. Find me a gun that discharged itself and I'll show you Santa, the Easter Bunny and the tooth fairy.
 
Well, I sent him an email asking him to review academic studies on correlations between increases or decreases in firearm ownership and rates of violence. Yeah, it won't change his mind, but one more voice of dissent is at least another minute out of his day where he has to think about the other side.
 
I argue with National Rifle Association supporters all the time that the "Clint Eastwood" syndrome that convinces ordinary Americans they could defend themselves against an armed criminal is a dangerous fantasy
It would seem the only fantasy here is the author's fear of his fathers imagined ineptitutde with a firearm. Along with the ridiculous idea that people can do nothing but sit and wait for the police to come rescue them and fix everything of course.

Mr. Kane, in your recent article you came to the conclusion that there are
too many reasons for ordinary citizens not to be armed. In the context of
concealed carry I don't see this to be true. We have 48 states that
currently have allowed concealed carry anywhere from years to decades. I
suspect you can't cite any statistics from those state licensing
departments showing the serious harm it has done.

You talk of being afraid of your armed father, yet it sounds like things
were perfectly safe. I imagine the only statistic you could cite to back
up your article's headline is the Kellerman paper with its thoroughly
debunked bad methodology. It certainly disagrees with the paper published
by Dr. Kleck titled "What Are the Risks and Benefits of Keeping a Gun in
the Home?" published in the August 1998 edition Journal of the American
Medical Association.

Of course you say that people could never use a firearm for self defense.
In 1994 the US Department of Justice published a paper "Guns in America:
National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms" that estimated
that Americans do the task you imagine to be impossible approximately 1.5
million times a year. Dr. Kleck did a similar study and turned up a
number of 2 million defensive gun uses a year. The DOJ study has a
smaller sample size but even at 1.5 million times a year, to say someone
using a weapon to defend themselves is just a fantasy seems incredibly
unfounded.

Mr. Kane, despite calling gun owners fearful, paranoid, and living a
fantasy I have to say those actions appear to be yours. You are the one
with the paranoid fear of your father doing something dangerous with a
gun. You are the one playing make believe to determine that guns in the
home are unsafe. None of your assertations appear to be based on the real
world data set we have available, but instead all on your fantasy world.

If you are going to call for the president to lead by example of gun
ownership, can I call for a journalist to step forward and lead by
example? This journalist would write stories based on facts, not
emotions. They might not even call their readers names in the story. In
a long shot but we all have our hopes for what 2008 will bring.
 
After my column on the Virginia Tech shootings questioned why so many continue to tolerate the carnage caused by handguns,

Darn those little handguns, crawling all over the place, hiding everywhere, firing away at will at innocent humans!
 
After the massacre of 32 innocent people at Virginia Tech University by a deranged gunman, it seemed like a timely - albeit "loaded" - question for the men and woman vying to become the country's next chief executive.

Five of the eight - former Alaska Sen. Mike Gravel, Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd and Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware - raised their hands. Front-runners Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards did not.

Note that Hillary lived in the WH for eight years, and I'm sure there were plenty of guns kept by USSC agents during that time.
 
That the arrangement to purchase one of the guns was made on the Internet also demonstrated how easily people with dubious motives can get access to firearms in the age of point-and-click shopping.
I wonder why this type of dishonesty or incompetence in reporting is tolerated by so many.
 
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