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Winchester 1895 in 30-06

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by B.A.M.F, Jul 20, 2008.

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  1. B.A.M.F

    B.A.M.F Member

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    Today at the gun store I looked at a Winchester 1895 in 30-06. IT was a brand new rifle and I see on there website that they only make them in 405 win. Now has anybody else seen these rifles in 30-06 being produced or is it just a special release? It was priced at $1600.
     
  2. telecaster1981

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    I've seen a few of them around. Seems like Cabela's has always has one new production 1895 in '06 when I'm in...SO tempting. And I've got a friend who's got two original 1895's in 30-06, and I really want them!
     
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    They have one (new) in 30-06 at the local Gander Mountain .. if I remember right it was $1699 or $1799 . .I "think" it was $1799.
     
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    Produced by Miroku Firearms of Japan, original versions were offered under the Browning Trademark.
    Winchester began offering various versions,(1886-1892-1895), of earlier models beginning about 1990.
    These are very decent copies of the original designs and are actually safer firearms to use and shoot.
    Original Winchester 95 rifles in .30/06 had a bad habit of frame stretching that resulted in excessive headspace on many rifles mainly because the steel used at the time wasn't up to the pressures developed by the full power .30/06 cartridge.
    The same problem occurred with original 1895 rifles made for the Russian Czar in 7.62X54 caliber and as a result these guns are very rare on the collctor market.
    Most were used up and destroyed.

    This issue is not a problem with the new reproduction 1896 rifles.
    The steel is modern and safe for high pressure loads and the Miroku barrels tend to be target grade excellent.

    I know a gentleman who owns one of the original Browning 1895 rifles in .30/40 Krag caliber and has done so for almost thiry years now.
    He and the rifle are still going strong.

    For clarity of inflation in these times when "there is no inflation.", He bought his rifle for $550.00 brand new.
     
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    There were also a few reproduction made in 30-40 Krag in the 90's also by Miroku, nice guns.
     
  6. Strongbad

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    Considering the 30.06 model 95's were selling for around $800 just a couple of years ago, that sounds ridiculously high unless it's the high grade model with the engraving. Go look at Gunbroker or Gunsamerica. You can still pick them up out there for $1000 or less.
     
  7. dmazur

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    I got one of these a couple of years ago. I always wanted a lever-action .30-06, but the barrel was too long. I believe it's much better as a carbine -

    Win1895.jpg

    Williams did the gunsmithing, shortening the barrel, adding a ramped front sight to match the receiver sight and a recoil pad.

    I added the sling swivels and sling.

    It's not historically accurate, but it's a shooter, not a museum piece. I think it's a nice alternative to the traditional lever-action .30-30 deer rifle.
     
  8. Shear_stress

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    CDNN's got the carbines for $1200 and the full length rifle for $1300.
     
  9. Strongbad

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    dmazur, what'd Williams charge you for the work? I like my 405 in stock trim but that rig you had made is sharp. Might have to get me another! :)
     
  10. dmazur

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    If I can remember correctly, it was around $200 for shorten & crown, furnish & install front sight and ramp, adjust rear sight (which I had installed in Winchester factory holes), and install recoil pad. No blueing. (Muzzle was left in the white)

    If they were to supply one of their receiver sights, I think it would add another $70.

    Here's a link to their current prices -

    http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsmith_service_michigan.htm#INSTALLATIONS

    The recoil pad was a Limbsaver "grind to fit", and these are really soft and, therefore, hard for a gunsmith to work with. Williams didn't complain, and the result looks pretty good. Another gunsmith (another rifle...another story) refused to use a Limbsaver and talked me into a Pachmyer. As far as the 1895 project, I was going to have the stock cut to create a 13-1/2" LOP, so a pre-fit was just not practical.

    Barrel length I chose was 20". I was guessing this would balance well, and I guessed right. Also, as this is a take-down model, that barrel length "matches" the length of the stock/receiver portion when taken down. :)
     
  11. jkingrph

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    I wanted one in 30-06, and waited too long, My son was in college and law school and there were not enough funds. When the 405 came out I got my dealer to order one, he ordered two, one standard, one high grade. Theky both came home, the high grade is one of the prettiest production rifles I have seen.
     
  12. Strongbad

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    I lucked into a 405 right after they started shipping. Put it on my wishlist on Gunsamerica. I called the gunshop as soon as I got the email but apparently someone else had already said they'd take it via email, but he hadn't responded to them yet. He asked where I was "Texas". "If you want it, it's yours. It's easier to ship there then to Alaska." Alas, I had it in my grubby little hands after about a week. The amazing part of the deal was the price. The gun was $795. Brand spankin' new. All of the shops around here at the time, claimed they couldn't even get them that cheap.
     
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    Five hundred and fifty dollars at 3.5% would amount to about $1,550 today -- just about what the new Model 95s are selling for.

    And remember, 30 years puts us back to 1978, an era of very high inflation -- some years running to double digits.

    So if $550 was fair in those days, $1500 - 1600 would be just about right.
     
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    Too bad they don't make a run of 'em in 7.62X54r...I'd be in line for one of those...
     
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    Clipper,

    The bulk of the real 1895 Winchesters were chambered in 7.62 x 54R, for the Czar. Many were never delivered and many worked their way to Spain during the 1930s Spanish Civil war and then back to the USA.
     
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    I know that...I would like to see a new run with modern materials and machining processes.
    See post #4...
     
  17. Nate C.

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    Every few years, Davidson's or some other distributor commissions a limited batch of Win 1895s. I seem to recall it is a very limited production run: maybe 500 per run, but that could be inaccurate.

    One year they did .30-'06, the next year .30-40 Krag, and the next year .405 Winchester. They make the full rifles as well as the carbines. I have seen the carbines in this part of the world for $1200-1300 new. You can find them on Gunbroker pretty readily as well. I guess they also did a limited run in .270 back in the 1990s.

    Ditto on wishing a modern batch in 7.62x54R would come around. (.303 British, too.)
     
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    Every few years, Davidson's or some other distributor commissions a limited batch of Win 1895s. I seem to recall it is a very limited production run: maybe 500 per run, but that could be inaccurate.

    One year they did .30-'06, the next year .30-40 Krag, and the next year .405 Winchester. They make the full rifles as well as the carbines. I have seen the carbines in this part of the world for $1200-1300 new. You can find them on Gunbroker pretty readily as well. I guess they also did a limited run in .270 back in the 1990s.

    Ditto on wishing a modern batch in 7.62x54R would come around. (.303 British, too.)
    They have also made some in the takedown model. Wish I had gotten one of those.
     
  19. rcmodel

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    CDNN Sports has Winchester 1895 close-out's in stock.

    30-06 24" Take-down rifle = $1,299.99.
    30-06 22" Saddle-Ring Carbine = $1,199.99.
    30-40 22" Saddle-Ring Carbine = $1,199.99.

    Also, 1886 45-70's:
    26" half round / half octagon, or full octagon = $1,599.99.

    rcmodel
     
  20. jkingrph

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    Got one of those 86's a few years before the 1895..It is a takedown, 26" full octagon, pistol grip with crescent buttplate. Talk about heavy!
     
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    Yep! But I bet it don't kick much though.

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  22. Strongbad

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    Dmazur, is the peep on your 1895 a Lyman? (Since you said you didn't get yours from Wlliams) Also, you were able to attach it via a factory hole? My reciever has nothing high enough to ever be able to attach a peep sight to. Just curious how yours came to be. After taking my 405 to the range today I was thinking again about how slick yours looked and how a Limbsaver or even a Decelerator would make the gun so much more pleasant to shoot. As it stands with full 300 gr. flat point loads and the metal butt plate, it's a punisher.
     
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    The miroko models are "impressions" of the originals, parts do not cross fit, and for the most part, the shape of the receiver is much different.

    I have a 3040 Krag original SRC and I find it to be a great gun. I had a .303 british that had somehow made its way to africa and back, but I got it from a family friend, then found out his nephew had lusted for it for years and was heart broke when his uncle sold it, so I let him have it back.

    When the ussr broke up, there were rumors that some of the 300K or so of the original Russian model Muskets would be found in some Gulag warehouse. This would cause a feeding frenzy when ever it was mentioned.
     
  24. dmazur

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    Strongbad -

    The Williams model number is FP-71, I think, and yes it fit two of the holes on the side of the receiver. As this version was color case-hardened, it wasn't going to be easy to drill different holes, so I'm glad it fit. (The holes are quite a ways down on the side of the receiver, works for the FP-71.)

    A Lyman 38 would be more "historically accurate", but these are 1)scarce 2)probably only fit original 1895's and 3)harder to adjust.

    The way things transpired, I bought a Williams receiver sight and installed it. When I realized the front sight was too low, I started thinking "gunsmith". Then "carbine length" and "recoil pad" were inevitable. :) As Williams hadn't furnished the sight as part of the gunsmith work (it was a separate order from Midway, I think), I added the comment about an additional $70 for a "complete" job.

    Yes, the .30-06 and metal butt plate were an interesting combination.

    As modified, it's a neat little carbine that points well. I hope to get a deer with it.
     
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