Winchester M70 Extreme Weather SS or Remington M700 Mountain SS...?

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Been looking at synthetic stainless rifles in .270 Win/7mm-08, and like the look of both these. (the M70 is even on sale)

Winchester M70 Extreme Weather SS
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Remington M700 Mountain SS
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Nothing wrong w/ the ole BDL .270 Win - still shoots under a Quarter.

Almost bought a Sendero the other decade, and missed out on the LSS Mountain rifles. Winchester is now FN, and Remington is now... what?

Comments/Questions/Concerns appreciated.




GR
 
i would get the m70, i loved remington but i don't think i could buy a new one. remington is owned by freedom group along with other companies. they pretty much destroyed all the companies they own now. its a shame to i really like the mountain rifle, i had a very nice one in 7x57 i should have never sold.

o and the 7mm08 is a fine cartridge.
 
Remington: if you're buying used, plan to restock it, and want to easily change the barrel with a RemAge replacement.

Otherwise, Winchester. The new FN cold hammer forged barrels are pretty good it seems.
 
This EW in 308 has been my go-to rifle for a decade now. I bought it used in 2009. I used it as is for a couple of years before finding a deal on a used McMillan Edge stock for it. It shot fine in the factory stock but is a 1/2 lb lighter in this stock. It shoots almost anything I've put in the chamber into 1" groups. Often closer to 1/2" with some loads. It is the least picky rifle I've ever owned.

The Remington will only be about 4 oz lighter, but they have the pencil thin barrel. I've had the Remington Mt Rifle before. The EW uses a standard diameter Sporter barrel, but reduces weight by fluting instead of going to a smaller diameter. You get the same weight reduction without giving up accuracy like you do with thinner barrels. I've had the Remington Mt Rifle before. They are OK for a couple of shots, but tend to start throwing bullets all over the place after that. Granted in most hunting situations more than a couple of shots are rare. But if you can get the same weight savings and and better accuracy with a fluted barrel I think it is a better approach.

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My take is a bit different from the crowd here. I actually own both new Winchesters and new Remington rifles and do not see the problems that the internet board regulars claim. My 700 SS Mountain rifle does have a very thin barrel that heats quickly at the range, but for a hunting situation that does not much matter and it is a joy to carry. I like it very much.

I also have a couple of new M70 rifles that I like. The FN manufactured rifles are the best M 70's ever made in my opinion. I usually take a pair of them when I travel to hunt in Africa somewhere. My Safari Express is one of my favorite rifles.

Both the new M 70 and the M 700 are accurate and well made. The Remington is lighter and a bit more accurate than the Winchester, and the Winchester is easier for me to maintain in the field on a long and far away hunt.
 
After being a "loyal" Remington owner for about 60 years, I've purchased my last one, unless things change for the better. The Winchester pictured in the initial entry seems like a great rifle and I'd seriously consider one if I was in the market for a new rifle.
 
I own the Winchester M70 EW in 7mm-08 and I have to say that it has become my go-to hunting rifle since I got it. The accuracy is excellent with just about any ammo I put in it and the quality and fit/finish are top notch. I don't think you will be disappointed with it.
 
Winchester. I have handled neither; this vote is based on Internet reading induced bias, marketing teams efforts and the memory of someone else's Winchester Coyote rifle in .223 I tried at the range last year which produced four touching holes at 100 yards the only time I shot it. If It is usual for a Winchester to shoot like that, I don't see why anyone should look at another rifle. That, and they are also incredibly good looking. Too bad they don't do detachable magazine, which I prefer.
 
Thanks for all the input.

Stocks being the same, the heavier Bbl. profile of the M70 is a plus, as is the FN manufacture.

And while Push-feed Remington has been "gittin'er done" for the longest and am extremely happy w/ it, I only have it because Winchester only had the push-feed WRA M70 sporters at the time, and I got a great deal on the Remington. Really wanted a Mauser action.

Course, If Remington had the LSS Mountain Rifle in 1:8 twist .260...?

This thread wouldn't exist.

Which brings up caliber (and much deliberation).

As much as I respect the 7mm-08 - For me, being pretty heavily invested in the .270 Win. at this point, it would most likely be an additional caliber that didn't really distance itself in some way. I would probably want to load the 160 gr. bullet - and that would lead either back to the .270 Win/150 gr., or to even more recoil and the .280/160 gr.

The 6.5mm/140 gr., however, would be a lower recoiling high SD round if it is pushed fast enough - and the popular Creedmore is on the very bottom end of the envelope. The .260/6.5mm SE are better, and the 6.5-06 is just about perfect - except who chambers for it and how different is it really from the .270 in the field?

So, it's a vicious circle that usually ends up back at the .270 Win, and some added recoil, when the music stops.

And as the ole M700 would be a back-up, that would at least cut down on brought ammo.

M70 EW/.260...?

Yeah.




GR
 
Well...

According to Speer Bullets - 140 gr. bullets can be loaded in the 6.5 CM a little over 40 fps faster that the .260 Rem, (2774/2731 fps) using RE#19 from a 24" Bbl.

That should allow 2700 fps for the 140 gr. NP from a 22" Bbl., which is my theoretical performance bottom.

And seein' as the M70 EW is chambered for the new kid... will have to give that another look.

14.2 lbs-ft of recoil for the 6.5 CM/140 gr. from the 8.0 lb. M70 EW - compared to the .270 Win/150 gr.'s 18.0 lbs-ft from the 8.5 lb. M700 BDL. (both w/ Scope and sling)

And 19.2 lb-ft of recoil for the .270 Win/150 gr/M70 EW rig.

Not a game-changer, but 5 lb-ft of recoil might just be a stand-out - bein' ~ a 25% reduction in the new rifle.




GR
 
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Bought a used Shadow back in 2010 as a back up to my 700 and it too proved to be an unusually accurate shooter using every load I threw at it. The plastic stock didn’t survive an encounter with a tree but a replacement Microfit in walnut has it looking better than ever. Currently refinishing with BLO after initially opting for spar varnish. Were it not for the 700 having been my 18th birthday present it would have moved down the road years ago.

I also vote Winchester without hesitation since my “lemon years” iteration outshoots my ‘90 700.

The 700 in 30-06, HS stock.
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After a 4-wheeler and a tree played tug of war with my M70.
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$100, lots of inletting, pins, pillars, and bedding later...
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Should have it finished after a weekend road trip. I wound up sanding the remaining varnish off after this picture, simply didn’t look “right”.
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Skylerbone said:
Bought a used Shadow back in 2010 as a back up to my 700 and it too proved to be an unusually accurate shooter using every load I threw at it. The plastic stock didn’t survive an encounter with a tree but a replacement Microfit in walnut has it looking better than ever. Currently refinishing with BLO after initially opting for spar varnish. Were it not for the 700 having been my 18th birthday present it would have moved down the road years ago.

I also vote Winchester without hesitation since my “lemon years” iteration outshoots my ‘90 700.

The 700 in 30-06, HS stock.
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After a 4-wheeler and a tree played tug of war with my M70.
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$100, lots of inletting, pins, pillars, and bedding later...
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Should have it finished after a weekend road trip. I wound up sanding the remaining varnish off after this picture, simply didn’t look “right”.
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Very nice lookin' rifles.

Got this M700 in '81 - and it just shoots great.

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Keep tryin' to replace it - and then I take it out and shoot it again.

Bedded the action, added a Bbl bedding pad, and then cut the butt down to add the recoil pad and maintain the 13-3/8" LOP.

Gave my back-up rifle (03-A3) to my brother, so I have been lookin' around for something new... again... some more...




GR
 
It is hard to recommend a rifle to another shooter because tastes, wants, preferences, likes, etc vary so greatly.
I own a EW in .308; it performs great and it looks great - well made and detail is close to perfect. I have never owned any Remington rifles so I cannot comment on any good nor bad. My hunting buddy is a Remington guy but we never discuss the pros/ cons of our deer rifles - we just hunt and have fun.
It always boils down to get what your gut tells you that you like and enjoy it - Chevy or Ford?
 
Did some more research/analysis on the 6.5 CM.

Barrel reduction/6.5 CM - 24" -> 22"

6.5 CM: (Handloads)

140 gr. NP
RNG / VEL / NRG
- 0 - / 2740 / 2334.0
100 / 2557 / 2033.0
300 / 2213 / 1523.0
[ MPBR(6") - 273 yds ]

125 gr. NP
RNG / VEL / NRG
- 0 - / 2955 / 2424.0
100 / 2746 / 2093.0
300 / 2356 / 1541.0
[ MPBR(6") - 290 yds ]


.270 Win: (Factory)

150 gr. NP
RNG / VEL / NRG
- 0 - / 2800 / 2611.0
100 / 2605 / 2260.0
300 / 2239 / 1670.0
[ MPBR(6") - 277 yds ]

130 gr. TC/TTSX
RNG / VEL / NRG
- 0 - / 2990 / 2581.0
100 / 2750 / 2182.0
300 / 2306 / 1534.0
[ MPBR(6") - 289 yds ]


End of the Line: (1800 fps Min. expansion)
6.5 CM/140 gr. NP
RNG / VEL / NRG
550 1822 1032.0

.270 Win./150 gr. NP
RNG / VEL / NRG
550 1826 1110.0


Recoil:
6.5 CM < 25% < .270 Win.




GR
 
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I own 2 6.5 CMs now. For range day they beat the pants off the .30 calibers, especially with younger shooters who are recoil sensitive. Nothing wrong with .270 if you’re already invested but if you don’t mind expanding your footprint it’s a solid choice.
 
troy fairweather said:
i would get the m70, i loved remington but i don't think i could buy a new one. remington is owned by freedom group along with other companies. they pretty much destroyed all the companies they own now. its a shame to i really like the mountain rifle, i had a very nice one in 7x57 i should have never sold.

o and the 7mm08 is a fine cartridge.
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If you had a Remington mountain rifle in 7x57, I'll agree you never should have sold it! wow.

My pick from the two above, would be easy. Winchester.
 
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