Witness Hunter 10mm

[Action_Can_Do]

Anyone here own one? I have been looking and waiting for years to find the perfect 10mm platform. The Glock 20 and an expensive 1911 custom gun seem to be the only choices. If the witness hunter is an accurate, solid gun I may have at long last found my 10mm.

 

[Plink]

Not I, but I've been considering the Witness for the same reason. I simply don't like Glock's grip and trigger. I'll be polite and just say it's a good gun, but it's not for me. I had a Colt Delta Elite that had some serious issues, so unless someone is making a high end 1911 pattern in 10mm, I'm not looking there anymore.

I did some research a while back and I did find a lot of negative posts on the Witness. I haven't found anything that has convinced me otherwise yet. It's a shame, because I like the gun in general and have shot them in other calibers. They're based on the CZ series which has turned out to be my all time favorites. I'm thinking I might just convert a Ruger P-90 to .400 Cor-Bon instead and give up the search.

 

[English1]

If you look on http://www.10mmtalk.com you will find quite a lot on the Witness series. To sum up, the full size models are very good and amazing value for money, the compact models are unreliable, and the service from EAA is not just poor but rude. If you do a Google search on 9x23 Winchester you should find a review of the Hunter in .38Super also used with 9x23 by one of the gun mags. he found it exceptionally accurate.

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[Onmilo]

One thing you should be aware of is the pistol uses polygonal rifling so lead bullets are a no-no.
At least the one and only one Hunter that the gun shop I work for managed to get in stock had polygonal rifling.
Be prepared for a bit of a wait when you order one.

 

[Vitamin G]

I would buy the witness in a heartbeat.
With my next heartbeat, I would ditch any 10rd magazine that it came with, and pickup the standard capacity magazines that DONT cause jams. My friend's witness is far more ergonomic (to me) than my glock 20, and holds just as many rounds. The downside was the stock magazines jammed on the 9th (second to last) round, EVERY single load.
If i could return my glock for what I paid for it, and purchase the witness instead, i would.

 

[Seismic Sam]

Do NOT get a 10mm Hunter!

While I own a 10mm WF and love it, and am seriously considering getting a 10mm Elite Stock also, I would NEVER get a 10mm Hunter. The Hunter is a bastardized cross between these two guns, and the key is the way the barrel comes out of the slide.

The EAA Witness comes apart like a Browning Hi-Power, and you remove the recoil rod and spring and then pull the barrel backwards out of the slide.

The EAA Elite Stock comes apart like a 1911, and after removing the recoil spring you pull the barrel forward through the slide. Now, while the Elite Stock has a humongous tapered cone SOLID steel barrel, (3/4" diameter at the muzzle!) the 10mm Hunter has a normal sized barrel with a cheap piece of pot metal crimped around it to make the cone. At the front end of the Hunter's barrel, there is a piece of metal which could be a comp but isn't, and the pot metal cone fits into this non-comp. So, it IS a 6" long barrel 10mm EAA, but the way it's put together is very jury rigged way, and why they didn't drill a few holes to make it compensated is beyond me.

In addition, the trigger and general finish of the Stock is substantially better than the old EAA's, and considering the dubious nature of the 10mm Hunter's design, I would worry about what kind of metal finishing has been done under that tacky camo pattern that's painted over the gun.

If they sell comp kits to go with a Stock, THAT would be the way to go to get a 6" long BBL 10mm gun. In addition, the Stock is cheaper than the Hunter anyway.

 

[Zerstoerer]

Onmillo wrote :
One thing you should be aware of is the pistol uses polygonal rifling so lead bullets are a no-no.
At least the one and only one Hunter that the gun shop I work for managed to get in stock had polygonal rifling.



There is nothing wrong with shooting lead out of a polygonal barrel.
The HK P9S did this all day long as a competition gun.
You might have your facts reversed - lead bullets will have more difficulties in a normal rifled barrel.

 

[atblis]

Definitely

do not get a Hunter.

You might consider the match model instead.

 

[rolltide]

The Dan Wesson 10mm Razorback is an excellent, well made 10mm 1911 platform in the same price range as the Witness Hunter. You might want to give it a look at the CZUSA site.

Roll Tide

 

[panzermk2]

or do what I did before they offerd the Hunter.I made my own.
I orderd from EAA the longslide upper with adjustable sights and thier tri-port comp.Works great and Ilove the heckout of it

 

[RooK]

Zerstoerer, not he's right. It's general advice to not shoot lead in polygonal rifling, just read up on shooting lead in factory Glocks. The lead has a tendency to build in the rifling and cause increased pressures. So long as you clean it and don't shoot too many rounds, it should be fine. But neglect it and it could spike pressures and KB, a real possibility with full-power 10mm loads.

I own a 10mm Witness FS myself. No complaints so far, other than it launching brass into the next timezone. It came with the 15rnd magazine and was 2005 stock (bought it last fall). I have yet to have a malfunction.

 

[gunner03]

I just bought the full size WF 10mm w/15 round mag. Any ammo that you guys have found to be avoided? Any that is full power and reasonably priced?

 

[atblis]

You're

pretty much going to have to roll your own.

 

[Seismic Sam]

10mm brass taking overnight trips?

The ejector on 10mm EAA's is WAAAYYYY too long for full power loads. Cut it to about half the overall length, and bevel it with a 20 degree back slant (relative to the frame) to kick the brass more vertical than horizontal. That should keep your brass within 6 - 10 feet.

 

[panzermk2]

I just bought the full size WF 10mm w/15 round mag. Any ammo that you guys have found to be avoided? Any that is full power and reasonably priced?

Double tap is the way to go. You get full house Norma loading, super high quality ammo and at very good prices for custom ammo.
a 20 round box of Winchester silver tips 175gr 1250fps costs around 25 bucks.
a 50 round box of Mikes 200gr XTP 1250fps cost the same.
I have used Mike ammo for awhile now and I can state it is best commercial ammo I have ever came across. His loadings in othe calibers are pretty HOT also

Caliber : 10mm

Bullet : 200gr XTP/JHP

Ballistics : 1250fps/ 694ft./ lbs. - Glock 20

Box of 50rds. 25.95

Caliber : 10mm

Bullet : Gold Dot Lineup

Ballistics : 180gr. @ 1300fps/ 676ft/lbs- Glock 20

Box of 50rds. 25.95

Caliber : 10mm

Bullet : Gold Dot Lineup

Ballistics : 165gr. @ 1400fps/ 718ft/lbs- Glock 20

Box of 50rds. 25.95

Caliber : 10mm

Bullet : Gold Dot Lineup

Ballistics : 155gr. @ 1475fps / 750ft/lbs- Glock 20

Box of 50 rounds 25.95

Caliber : 10mm

Bullet : 135gr. Nosler Jacketed Hollow Point.

Ballistics : 1600fps/ 767 ft./lbs. - Glock 20

Box of 50rds.25.95

 

[panzermk2]

Lancer s@cks and PMC's is the most over priced under performing 10mm I have ever come across


I forgot Blaser, you can find it for 13 bucks a box and it's good plinking 10mm ammo

 

[RooK]

Winchester 175gr Silvertips is good factory. Better than the wimp loads most places put out, but not as good as full-power stuff. For that, you're pretty much limited to Double Tap, Reeds, Georgia Arms, Texas Ammo. Otherwise, load your own (what I'm planning to do, got everything but the brass and powder). Some 200gr XTPs and a heavy dose of 800x will put a grin on your face.

BTW, you might want to consider a 20 or 22lb recoil spring when firing the hot stuff. You can get it from Midway, Wolff makes it.

 

[thales]

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The recommendation against shooting lead bullets in Glocks has very little to do with polygonal rifling. The chamber throat in Glock barrels has a sharp edge in it which can shave lead. The lead will build up and cause the cartridge to fail to chamber completely. This, combined with the Glock's ability to fire out of battery can lead to case head separation (KA-BOOM).

Polygonal rifling is less susceptible to bore leading than conventional rifling, and is easier to clean.


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[cyco668]

I have a Witness Hunter 10mm. Absolutely love it. I carry it in Alaska, along with my fishing pole. It's been very abused. I carry it the rain, through the mud, and it's been underwater a few times (unfortunately so was I ). It's been super reliable and i haven't had a single problem. Over 2k rounds through it. As far as accuracy, I find it very accurate. The difference between a Match with a 6in barrel and the Hunter is the Hunter has an actual 6 inch sight radius, vs. a 5 for the Match. 20% more sight radius makes a big difference. Just my opinions on things.
btw... I'm still waiting for a few casings to re-enter the atmosphere....

 

[Grayrider]

For the money I would suggest the Match or Limited. I had a Match that was completely reliable and deadly accurate. I would have to find the target here somewhere but I seem to recall the group I shot at my first range trip was around 40 rounds through a 1.5" x 2" hole at 15m. It is slightly longer than a base Witness and has many improved features. The SA trigger is quite nice.

I have a Limited on the way that to me is as near the ultimate 10mm pistol I would want. I lave long lusted for a full dust cover STI in 10mm, but have not wanted to devote the funds. The Limited will give me a similar arrangement in a CZ pattern gun. Mags are cheap and I am used to the platform given I have one in 40. The 40 will remain my competition pistol, and I fully intend to carry the 10mm at times. Laying my 40 on top of a full sized 1911, the dimensions are darn close. As I have carried such 1911s as CCW pistols for years in cool weather, I see no reason I cannot carry a Limited.

For those that are interested I also just scored a Match in 38 Super. I anticipate that it will equal or surpass the 10mm I let go in accuracy. The extra barrel length and mass of the Match should make it as tame a Super as one could want (already a tame round in any platform). The 18 shot capacity will be fun as well.

GR

 

[Hectordude]

6 inch barrel

I've seen mention that some states require a minimum barrel length of 6 inches, hence the Hunter for . I agree the Match is a much better deal. I would rather have the Hunter, but its too darned expensive. Btw, have you noticed they no longer carry the full-size in blued finish? What's up with these guys? You'd think they would carry ALL the options and models from Tangfolio,(there are lots,) but instead they're cutting down to less and less. They really are pretty rude, too :banghead: (or short.) Double-Tap Ammo is definately the way to go. From what I understand, Witnesses handle the big loads better than a Glock, so they should be a good match.

 

[doubleg]

Kimber 10mm 1911

heard nothing but good about it...

 

[atblis]

Don't forget

or

 

[hso]

Hectordude, welcome to THR!

A buddy of mine has the 10mm full size and it's a joy to shoot!