Working Guns? Bp Revolvers.

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perldog007

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I came on here a few years back to learn about my new 1858 Pietta Remington New Army Clone. Had researched getting something to keep my Smith 25-5 out of the field. The standard .45 Colt load is fine for how I goof off in the woods.
In researching the old BP load I came across that famous blog post of 'black powder ballistics' then read about Kaido Ojaama's VKV bullets which could exceed the performance of the original 'cowboy' load.
The idea of constructing each round for the job at hand appealed to me.
Now I own four bp revolvers, and one flintlock, no cartridge handguns.
I no longer look for trouble as a profession, loved all my service sidearms I used in security work. Nothing more beautiful than a Glock when you have to walk in the rain all night, my opinion only.
Now I stay home, target shoot, and hunt. These are all that I need for myself.
I had five, but I fired my plain blue steel 1858 on one occassion. It was so boringly reliable, I fell in love. Like what a model 10 should have been. First time out with 35grains of 2f pyrodex and 140 gr .454 rb it was magical.
I broke it down and cleaned it, gave it to a friend with the same birthday who had a brassy and wanted to shoot stouter loads than were recommended. I kept the pretty one.
My 1860 is simply my all time favorite handgun. Even though not as reliable as the 1858 it runs well with care. Had one jam before I learned a few things. Fine ever since.
The 1851 Navy in .36 with RB is no joke at max loads, 23 grains of 3f Goex and a 140 grain Kaido Ojamma VKV flat nosed 'conical' punches out of all porportion to it's paper numbers. A fine upgrade from a .38 spl woods gun in versatility?
My pocket Remington in .31 is basically a kit gun. Can be loaded to about the same energy as a .22 3" bbl pocket rocket.
I live in an area where owning anything of value puts a target on you. Own my place outright though. Everybody knows I have 'good aim' ( average for a person born in 61 ). Nobody wants to come take these. Cops have had AR15's stolen from their homes not too far from where I sit. As in more than one :/
If I felt the need to CC again I'd almost certainly get a pistol or revolver depending. For the way I live right now, these are the working guns I enjoy.
Any other non history buff types who are just shootists and fell in love with BP revolvers? Being still a bit overweight, I might even try to hunt squirrel with my .45 Kentucky Pedersoli kit gun. Also my 94 and Mossy are in danger of collecting dust if I get a trade gun, maybe a hawken.
Was Sam Colt correct when he said real shootists would prefer to load their own rounds?
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I couldn't get rid of my modern guns. I have too much fun with the different calibers, both loading for them and shooting them. But if I only had traditional BP guns, I could get by very well. Real black powder, C&B revolvers, percussion pistols and rifles, flintlocks, smoothbores cover a LOT of enjoyable shooting. BP 45-70 cartridges in a Rolling Block takes care of the long range targets. (Notice I didn't say hitting the targets.) I even like cleaning and maintaining them. There is a wonderful satisfaction in shooting traditional BP weapons. If I were to start hunting again, which I'm not, it would be with muzzleloaders. And as I approach 70, the slower, more deliberate pace is appealing.

BTW, I like the look of the case hardening on that Remington.

Jeff
 
I have been in love with C&B revolvers before I even knew what a C&B revolver was.
As a kit in the 60s, I assembled a bunch of full-size PYRO plastic model kits of various Old West revolvers and flintlock pistols. I remember puzzling over why the cylinders were closed off at the rear on the 1860 Army and 51 Navy. And what the heck were those little peg things sticking out the back of the cylinder. Firing pins?
Whatever, the 1860 Army sure was elegant in your hand.
I bought my first C&B Remington in 1972 along with a .451" Lyman mold, and began casting at the same time.
Followed with rifles and an 1860 Army.
Loved it ever since.
 
Every time I go to select revolvers to take out it's always my pair of 1858 target. They just shoot so good. So good i have 6 spare cylinders. Puts ball in a 2 inch bull at 25 yards all day long. Would not hesitate to make a 50 yard shot. 22-25 gns fff and bang.
 
I couldn't get rid of my modern guns. I have too much fun with the different calibers, both loading for them and shooting them. But if I only had traditional BP guns, I could get by very well. Real black powder, C&B revolvers, percussion pistols and rifles, flintlocks, smoothbores cover a LOT of enjoyable shooting. BP 45-70 cartridges in a Rolling Block takes care of the long range targets. (Notice I didn't say hitting the targets.) I even like cleaning and maintaining them. There is a wonderful satisfaction in shooting traditional BP weapons. If I were to start hunting again, which I'm not, it would be with muzzleloaders. And as I approach 70, the slower, more deliberate pace is appealing.

BTW, I like the look of the case hardening on that Remington.

Jeff
Stole that one from some rather anti-gun black powder hating folks at a Cabelas.
Cylinder was turned, no box or books, had to do some stone work on the hand, 193 dollars. I loved the plain blue smooth grip one too, but I kept this one when I decided to share.
For most of the shooting I do, the .44 BP revolvers cover it.
The 1858 was like an old friend, what a service revolver should have been. So while I shoot my Colt replicas mostly when I have gone out with folks who hunt predators and invasive species their private land I carry the 1858. I know what's going to happen if I pull the trigger. I've shot 4 different Pietta 1858 replicas besides the one I gifted, one brass. They all seem to work well for me. Love the Colts, but when I really really want to be sure I can walk it 'round I just put that 1858 on my belt.
 
I recall reading the account of a guy who shot his first deer out of a tree stand with a Remington 1858 revolving rifle. One shot kill.
How that deer got up into his tree stand, I dunno. ;)
I have a less than perfect record of going 'hand to horn' so to speak. Good to know, I was wondering if was safe in a tree stand. If the revolving rifle doesn't deter them I'm not taking any chances with a handgun! I'll continue to get punked at ground level. With resolve.
 
Yeah I've been jumped twice. Once while hunting squirrel a buck and I ended up on top of each other both being surprised. Once in a bowhunt where a hunter had to give chase but not allowed a finishing pistol or even a strung bow thirty minutes after sunset. So I was thinking a tree stand would be a refuge? But if a guy had to use his remmy in a tree.....
I've also had to make the hammer clicky sound for a buck in my 'backyard' one acre woodlot within the last three years. Decided to stare down our party then paw the ground with head down. Also had to decided to evade a doe about thirty yards outside City of Alexadria limits on a bike trail instead of engaging with my legally concealed charter arms undercover. Fine a big game revolver as those are :D
So handgunning in the woods, for me , is all about deer defense. The only deer I ever passed on in season afield was a sickly looking buck that put it's head down when I blew smoke in his face as he get walking up on me. Again clicky clicky made evil monster seek other amusement. Wouldn't have wanted to field dress that one....
Started with this artilce and I checked on a belt and a single action to replace cheap 30/30 butcuff ammo holder, Smith 25-5 and Bianchi 110 crossdraw, thumb break, and HK N frame speedloaders. http://sheriffjimwilson.com/2013/03/23/the-scout-belt/
For deer defense reasons. I ain't no Texas ranger. Then I wanted ann 1858 repro or ROA after seeing this http://poconoshooting.com/blackpowderballistics.html to 'try' , then I got bitten by the bug. Now I want guns I don't "need".
One 1858 .44 replica 8" is more than enough gun for anything I'm going to shoot from Squirrel to deer and any hog or bear that gets too close if I'm lacking a suitable long arm.
One boy a little further south in the hills than I'm headed recently shot an 820 lb boar in his yard with at .38 special.
 
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