would like to start some minor reloading

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I mostly shoot 9mm, .38, .45, and 12 gauge. I can get all of these in value packs for a reasonable amount of money. However, where reloading appeals to me the most is:

1. Loading hot .357 rounds for my GP-100.
2. Allows me to give more consideration to .44, .10mm, .45 long colt platforms without dismissing them due to ammo costs. I anticipate loading maybe 100-150 rounds a month for these if I got them. That is an outside extimate. More realistic would average about half of that since I mostly do shotgunning in the summer and handgunning in the winter.

Are there inexpensive ways to accomplish the tasks as stated here? I will acknowledge that I may grow to enjoy or rely more upon reloads than bulk purchases. That said, I would rather start with a cost that is minor and buy a new system if I find more is desired. I thank you in advance.
 
Yes there are ways to get into reloading for less money. Look for presses on ebay. If you buy new look at the Lee products. One thing I am not sure if Lee include is a powder scale, which to me is must. Check out www.midwayusa.com for package deals. One thing I would do is get a reloading manual and read over the portions that explain how to reload before you get all the stuff.
 
My shpeal:
I got an RCBS Rockchucker kit and an RCBS Video, because I was overwhelmed with how to get started reloading.

If I were to advise someone on how to do it that was a friend, I would show him how, and then loan him enough stuff to do it at his home.

Telling someone how to do it on the internet, I would start out with the tasks that have to be done, and list the cheap tools to get, so the the guy can maintain a mental map of the goals:

38 Special [same die set and shell holder as 357 mag] is very easy and cheap to load, most people have one, and the guns have mountains of safety margin. They are a good place to start.

1) Get the old primer out of the case, called depriming or decapping.
2) Make the case small enough in inside diameter to grip a bullet and small enough on the outside to fit in the chamber. This is called resizing.
Both steps 1) & 2) are usually accomplished in one step as the resizing die has a decapping pin. This will require:
a) Shell holder ~$3 Lee #1 shell holder or ~$5 RCBS #6 shell holder.
The same size shell holder can be used later for 357 mag, 256 Win mag, etc.
b) A resizing die. This die will probably be bought in a kit with one, two, or three other dies. In straight wall cartridges, carbide resizing dies are available at an extra cost. It is always worth the extra to get carbide. Adjust the die [how far to screw it into the press] per the instructions that come with the die set.
Lee 3 die set for 38 special; $21 steel, $23 carbide
RCBS 3 die set for 38 special: $36
c) A press. Lee Reloader press $20 is a real cheapee, but will always find a use. RCBS Rockchucker $90 is a workhorse of the highest quality.
3) Clean the case. This step can be done with a couple twists of the wrist with steel wool, or expensive vibrators. Later when you get more tools, you will clean the primer pocket, but it is not needed.
4) Re prime the case.
a) One can buy a priming tool and do it in 2 seconds or fumble with the primer built into RCBS presses and do it 10 seconds.
Lee Auto prime II $13, RCBS priming tool $26
The two tools I mentioned use the same shell holder as used above in resizing. Beware that Lee also sells another priming system ["Lee auto prime" not "Lee auto primer II"] that uses special shell holders. I would avoid that system to start.
b) One must also buy, beg, borrow, or steal new primers.
To buy them mail order, one would have to pay a Hazardous Materials charge [Haz Mat]. Small purchases would be too expensive. Usually 100 primers can be purchased for $1 or $2 at the local gun store. Primers come in combinations of being; magnum or standard, pistol or rifle, and large or small. For 38 special, small pistol primers are what is needed, and will work with standard or magnum, but most published loads with be with standard primers.
5) Fill the case with powder. This is called charging the case. For this one will need powder and a way to measure powder. With black powder, one just fills the case, but with smokeless powder too much powder will fit. Start out using smokeless powder and measuring it. The amount to use depends on the bullet that will be used. The amount is published in load books, or better still on powder manufacturer's web sites for free.
a) Buy powder. There is the Haz Mat problem again, so off to the neighborhood gunstore. Any "pistol powder" will do. Expect to pay ~$20 for a pound in a gunstore. I like Bullseye or Unique powder made by Alliant, but AA#2 or AA#5 work just as well made by Accurate Arms, or Winchester 231, or Hodgdon HS-6, or Vihtavuori 3N37, or IMR SR7625, or dozens of others.
b) Measure the powder. This can be done with cheap plastic measuring cups with handles from Lee, but I would start out weighing the powder. The weighing scales: Lee Perfect powder measure $20, RCBS Uniflow Powder measure $60 [this tool is really nice]
6) Install the bullet. This is called seating the bullet.
a) Buy bullets. For 38 special, .357" diameter or .358" bullets are normally used. You can buy lead bullets or lead bullets covered with copper called jacketed bullets. I would start out with jacketed bullets. These will cost you 5 to 15 cents each and usually bought in 100's.
b) The seating die should have come in the reloading die kit. Put it in the press and put the primed and charged case in the shell holder. Set the bullet on top of the case and raise the ram [push down on the press lever]
c) Measure the over all length of the cartridge [OAL]. This can be done with a ruler, but is best done with dial calipers. Expect to pay $20 for some Chinese calipers or $100 for American.
7) Crimp the case into the bullet. This means the case must pinch the bullet so hard that recoil will not yank the bullet out when other chambers of the revolver are fired [or so the bullet will not get shoved deeper into the case from recoil in magazine or tube fed cartridge]. The type of crimp depends on the type of cartridge. The rimmed 38 special case should be roll crimped. The rimless 9mm cartridge should be taper crimped. The crimping step can be done in one step with the bullet seating, but I would start out doing it in two separate steps. The two steps look the same [cartridge goes into seating die], but can be different in how the seating die is adjusted. Again, adjust the die [how far to screw it into the press] per the instructions that come with the die set and with the seating die, there is also the adjustment of the seating stem [knurled knob on top of the die].
8) Take notes when you shoot your handloads. Write on the targets. Things like "125 gr. bullets shot way low, but 158 gr. bullets were right on." will come in handy next time you sit down to reload or buy bullets.

>From the above it looks like it will cost $110 to get started.
That is 1/3 of what it cost ME to get started.

There are more steps to loading a bottle shaped rifle cartridge, and even more to get them to be very accurate, but after one masters the 38 special, it will make more sense.
 
I like the Lee handpress. It's cheap and easy to use. As you continue reloading, you'll accumulate more dies, scales, perhaps an Autoprime II (the best method of priming I know) and so on. But to START all you need is the Lee Handpress and a set of dies. The dies come with a dipper and a reloading chart.

Later on, if you want to go to something else, everything but the press itself will be useful -- so you've only "lost" about $22.00. And even then, you can make up a range loading kit, and use the handpress to develop loads right there on the bench.
 
I'll second that Lee handpress

It's slow, but you should start out slow anyway, and even as you get bigger, better,faster equipment, that handpress will still be useful.
 
I went to a local dealer through whom I do all of my purchasing. They've rightly earned customer loyalty, so a few bucks more than going to Galyans is worth it to me. The three packages we've come up with are:

1. Lee hand press ready to load .38 and .357. $65ish.
2. Lee auto-indexing turret press ready to load .38 and .357. $170.
3. Lee Pro 1000 ready to load .38 and .357 with some auto priming doo-hickey. $300.

Ready to load includes everything apparently except the primers, bullets, casings, and powder. Does include scale, calipers, etc. This is a rough one to call since the price differences all have some merit to them. That middle one seems to be the biggest cost with the least future use. I'm thinking of going either for the hand press or the Pro 1000.
 
Those are probably the least desirable options in the lineup. The hand press will soon get very old to use without bench support. I started with the somewhat similar old W.H. English handpress and got a Rockchucker as soon as I could arrange a place to mount it. The Pro 1000 is a cheap progressive; a lot going on at once, tricky and tedious to learn to operate; not a good machine to learn on.

If you just must cut costs, look at the Lee Anniversary set with Challenger press and assorted Lee accessories.
 
If your considering option #3, you're getting into the Dillon 550B range.

Sell a gun and buy a nice press is my suggestion if money is an issue.
 
Thanks, Jim and all. The problem I am coming across is that I start out with one item, then I see some kit for not much more money and I'm like "ooooh!! That does more!" and I keep getting my focus changed. One thing that is confusing me is cost/round of reloading. I read this article at dillon which has wildly different numbers than I come up with. Who is paying $32.00 a box for .45 and and $20 a box for .38? I figured they must be talking the premium ammos but still ridiculous for comparison, in my opinion. I'm comparing prices to winchester value packs and magtech. I'm paying about $0.21 per round for both .45 and .38 currently. I did some quick research and I am coming up with $0.22 a round for .45 and $0.16 a round for .38. What is the real cost of reloading?
 
Whenever you read calculations about savings in reloading, they usually reflect buying in bulk--like primers and bullets by the thousand. Keep in mind that when you start out you may only buy a few hundred bullets or primers and a small jug of powder.

Even so, expect to cut your expenses in half by using reloaded ammo. That means, to me, about 3.50 for a box of 38s, easily, and less than 5 for 45 ACP.
 
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