Would this be NFA?

[ccsniper]

Would making a pneumatic cane gun be NFA? I ask cause I saw something on history channel where they used to make air gun canes that were made for self defense. I would figure that it would be at least AOW?

 

[Prince Yamato]

It would most likely be defined as an AOW, like a pen gun.

 

[CleverNickname]

If it's an air gun it's not a firearm and not covered by the NFA. A cane gun that shoots fixed ammo would most likely be an AOW.

 

[PTK]

...except that gadget guns are considered NFA even when black powder muzzleloaders. Why would an air gun be different? Remember, even airgun silencers are still NFA.

 

[bkjeffrey]

If it's an air gun it's not a firearm and not covered by the NFA

Why would an air gun be different? Remember, even airgun silencers are still NFA.

The DROZD full auto bb gun is not NFA. Can be bought by anyone over 18 all day. Its select fire from 3 rd burst and full auto and fires steel bbs using a CO2 cylinder.

 

[o Unforgiven o]

Remember, even airgun silencers are still NFA.

No, silencers are NFA regardless of what they are attached to, the fact that it's on an airgun makes no difference. (With all due respect PTK )

A pneumatic "gun" is still pneumatic and is not in any way a firearm, and on that basis I don't see how it could be NFA. It may be covered on some other law or maybe even local, but not NFA.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

If the Airgun silencer is permanatly attached to the air gun it isn't NFA. Look up the Gamo Whisper.

 

[Jaymo]

As long as the airgun silencer cannot be removed and installed onto a firearm, and reduce the report by 1 decibel or more, it's not NFA.
Shrouded barrels are very common on precharged pneumatics. There are many powerful PCP airguns that are quieter than a mouse fart.
Benjamin Marauder, Evanix Blizzard, Evanix Rainstorm, Evanix Windy City, Evanix Monster, Evanix Black Leopard, BSA R10, Air Arms S410, Air Force Talon SS, and a few others, I forget, all come with shrouded barrels.

 

[xr1200]

the only silencer you can legally own on an air gun with out a federal permit is to have one that is permanently attached by the manufacturer, such as the one that gamo makes. You can't build one yourself and them weld it in place, that would still be illegal.

Remember batf can charge you with what ever they want and then you have to prove your innocense

 

[rodensouth]

Thank you bkjeffrey!! Now I can afford something FA. Wonder if it will make me grin as much as I suspect.

 

[bkjeffrey]

Wonder if it will make me grin as much as I suspect

Like a fat kid in a candy store...........

 

[ccsniper]

thanks guys for telling me that a silencer on a air gun is illegal unless permanently attached by the company. That is what I asked anyways. My question didn't have anything to do with pneumatic air gun cane or anything.

 

[PTK]

Man, I tried. So far as I know, it would be an illegal gadget gun. The ONLY way to know for sure is to write them a letter.

 

[ccsniper]

Man, I tried. So far as I know, it would be an illegal gadget gun. The ONLY way to know for sure is to write them a letter.

thanks that is the answer I was looking for.

 

[xr1200]

as long as its only used for target use then it a simple air rifle, carry it concealed or out in public, then you probably would be violating state and local weapons and concealed weapons laws.

BATF only regulates firearms with explosive ignition and their associate accessories IE: silencers.

As for silencers on air guns, the removeable ones or ones that can be disassembled are illegal, because of their potential use or modification for a firearm. Unless they are leagally registered with the BATF.

 

[xr1200]

gamo silencers are not welded, they are a cheap molded assembly that consists of a small 3/8" dia steel barrell with a molded 1 inch diameter plastic shroud/silencer molded around it.

If someone tried to adapt it to a firearm they would end up with a bunch or useless broken plastic pieces.

The gamo built in silencer works on the air rifle, but its really cheap plastic toy.

I had a gammo hunter extreme with the 1 inch shrouded barrell and after firing it a couple hundred times the barrell became bent downward with about a 1/2" arc at the end of the barrell. These shrouded air guns are real junk.

 

[o Unforgiven o]

If the Airgun silencer is permanatly attached to the air gun it isn't NFA. Look up the Gamo Whisper.

I know, actually I have one. I was just saying that a stand alone silencer is NFA regarless of the host or even lack thereof.

 

[ccsniper]

Q: Does the ATF regulate the sale and possession of air guns? Is an air gun classified as a “firearm” under Federal law?

The term “firearm” is defined in the Gun Control Act of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(3), to include "(A) any weapon (including a starter gun), which will, or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon…." Based on Section 921(a)(3), air guns, because they use compressed air and not an explosive to expel a projectile, do not constitute firearms under Federal law — unless they are manufactured with the frames or receivers of an actual firearm. Accordingly, the domestic sale and possession of air guns is normally unregulated under the Federal firearms laws enforced by ATF.

We caution that ATF is not charged with enforcement or oversight of the firearms laws of States or localities. To determine possible restrictions on air guns where you reside, we recommend that you contact the office of your state Attorney General, the State Police, or other State/local law enforcement authorities for further guidance.

well looks like I missed this on their website. Looks to be perfectly legal as long as it does not used an explosive to launch the projectile.

 

[Deus Machina]

well looks like I missed this on their website. Looks to be perfectly legal as long as it does not used an explosive to launch the projectile.

I started machining for paintball, so now make all sorts of odd pneumatics as a hobby.

No, air guns are not regulated by the BATF, but may be by state or local laws.

From an earlier letter from them (copied to a paintball sight, which I unfortunately don't have a copy of right now), a silencer for an airgun is legal if it cannot be removed from the airgun, and you're technically legally in the clear if you build one with intent to use it only on that airgun, and it is completed only after or as it is permanently attached-- IE, welding the back on and then sliding in baffles and welding on the front.

On the other hand, the local police probably don't know this, and unless it's already attached, the ATF can consider it intent. For that matter, there's nothing to keep the ATF playing it by ear despite previous decisions. So, better safe than sorry.

What is popular with paintball equipment is a long series of porting in the barrel, which lets gas escape more gradually. Really good porting is maybe half as effective as a silencer if you're lucky, but it's something.