Most of us here agree that the gun show loophole accusation in the MSM and political arena is unfair and disingenuous because non-FFLs do not have access to NICS and using an FFL for transfers would be time consuming and costly. I am curious to know if this is an issue of convenience, cost, principle, all of the above, or none of the above for fellow gun owners.
Would you use NICS if you could?
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30 cal slob
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yes, i would, because you'd want to CYA if you ever get sued or criminally charged for a sale that went bad.
it's a moot point in my state for handguns, because i have to get approval from the statpolizei to transfer one to another person.
it's a moot point in my state for handguns, because i have to get approval from the statpolizei to transfer one to another person.
arthurcw
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Nope. Wouldn't use it for the transfer of a car. Why would I use it for a gun?
As far as I know, everybody can go through an FFL holder to transfer a firearm if they want to. Some states make it mandatory. In those states that don't make it mandatory (Florida,for instance), I can't see any incentive for doing so. It would only add to the cost of the weapon for the purchaser. In my opinion, the only reason to use NICS when you sell a gun (as an individual) is to have a clear record of transferring the gun out of your posession. That said, if you don't trust the intent of the person you're selling to, or that he can legally buy the gun, why don't you just not sell the gun to that person? A bill of sale will prove that the gun is no longer in your possession just as good as FFL records, won't it?
Packman
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I voted yes for strangers no for family, but that's not totally true. It'd depend on my "vibe" from the buyer.
M2 Carbine
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I voted "No, I would not use NICS under any circumstances."
If I can help it I don't want the Feds involved in any way with my selling or buying a gun.
There's no way that the Feds are destroying the NICS records.
No matter what they say they would never let this nationwide gun owner registration get away from them.
If I can help it I don't want the Feds involved in any way with my selling or buying a gun.
There's no way that the Feds are destroying the NICS records.
No matter what they say they would never let this nationwide gun owner registration get away from them.
In Connecicut, it is mandatory for a private seller to do a background check and DPS paperwork set if they
So, yes there is times when I would use NICS- I enjoy my rectum at its current diameter. While not mandatory, they also recommend calling in private rifle and shotgun sales. Like other posters said, I might if the person was giveing me queer vibes.
- are a non-FFL and sell a pistol to a dealer
- they sell a pistol to a non-dealer
- they sell any gun at a Gunshow
So, yes there is times when I would use NICS- I enjoy my rectum at its current diameter. While not mandatory, they also recommend calling in private rifle and shotgun sales. Like other posters said, I might if the person was giveing me queer vibes.
zxcvbob
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I'd want to see their Minnesota "permit to acquire handguns from federal firearms dealers" and their drivers license (or their license to carry a weapon.) That permit to aquire doesn't cost anything, and it means the sheriff's office has done a background check in the past year. It takes about a week to process so the Brady waiting period is taken care of in advance.
TCB in TN
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My business is just that MY business, but then again I usually only sell to those I know and trust.
RKBABob
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Yes for strangers, no for friends and family... but I'd only waive it for friends I've known a long time.
Its a bit of CYA, and also a bit of moral responsibility. I wouldn't want to sell a car to somebody who's license has been revoked for DUI... why should my attitude about guns be any different? In either case, these people may seek out private sellers because they know they'll be turned away at a car or gun dealer.
As for feeling a person's vibe... I met a couple at church a few years back. You wouldn't think I'd need to do a NICS on someone I met at church, but... I later learned that he spent time in prison for drug dealing. He'll never admit that selling weed to high schoolers was wrong, instead he thinks that society is unjust for not forgiving him the way Jesus did.
I'd just feel better knowing my firearms were passed directly from my law-abiding hands into the hands of some other honest citizen, and not the kind of person I keep arms to protect myself from.
Its a bit of CYA, and also a bit of moral responsibility. I wouldn't want to sell a car to somebody who's license has been revoked for DUI... why should my attitude about guns be any different? In either case, these people may seek out private sellers because they know they'll be turned away at a car or gun dealer.
As for feeling a person's vibe... I met a couple at church a few years back. You wouldn't think I'd need to do a NICS on someone I met at church, but... I later learned that he spent time in prison for drug dealing. He'll never admit that selling weed to high schoolers was wrong, instead he thinks that society is unjust for not forgiving him the way Jesus did.
I'd just feel better knowing my firearms were passed directly from my law-abiding hands into the hands of some other honest citizen, and not the kind of person I keep arms to protect myself from.
jad0110
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I've given guns to close family that a new for a fact did not have any felony convictions or things of that like, with no worries.
I'm with you, so in that regard if I had access to NICS, I'd use it when selling to a stranger. But in reality, I'd just insist on conducting the sale through an FFL as a condition of the transaction.
I'm with you, so in that regard if I had access to NICS, I'd use it when selling to a stranger. But in reality, I'd just insist on conducting the sale through an FFL as a condition of the transaction.
I would obey the law. I assume the question refers to if it was required by law.
I can't think of another reason. If you say "but you wouldn't want to sell to a nutcase or felon, would you?" I'd say no, but I'd also say I don't know if the gov't's data is right and I prefer to make the presumption that a person has the right to buy from me (in the absence of knowledge otherwise).
Unless the law says I could be sued by victims or prosecuted by the gov't for not doing a NICS check, I'm opposed.
I can't think of another reason. If you say "but you wouldn't want to sell to a nutcase or felon, would you?" I'd say no, but I'd also say I don't know if the gov't's data is right and I prefer to make the presumption that a person has the right to buy from me (in the absence of knowledge otherwise).
Unless the law says I could be sued by victims or prosecuted by the gov't for not doing a NICS check, I'm opposed.
larry_minn
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There is a toll free number to do a private party NICS type check. (at least there was 10 yrs ago) I will try to find it again.
Most small town Pds have been great with running a firearm that I am buying. (even over the phone) Its also a good indication of seller if when you ask to record/run serial number before you buy and they say "NO" I walk away. If they are upset with me running serial number before I hand over cash...........
Most small town Pds have been great with running a firearm that I am buying. (even over the phone) Its also a good indication of seller if when you ask to record/run serial number before you buy and they say "NO" I walk away. If they are upset with me running serial number before I hand over cash...........
mpmarty
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No! As long as there is no law mandating it I won't do it. Furthermore, I'll pay a premium to buy from private parties face to face whenever possible. The only thing wrong with government is that there is so damn much of it and it's our own fault. We need to learn to just say NO!
Hypnogator
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Yes, absolutely, for strangers. Not to use it if available is irresponsible, IMHO.
JohnBT
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Have you ever sold a car to a stranger? How did you determine if they were a habitual drunk, mental incompetent or drug user? You didn't? Tsk. 
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Winchester 73
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Completely agree.And vehicles(or horses) are not in the BOR.This background checking on firearms would have been unthinkable just a few short generations ago.
PC on guns has made paranoia the norm.
The whole NICS should be junked,muy pronto.
Shall not be infringed means just that.
The Deer Hunter
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Well, I don't think I would ever sell any of my guns to begin with but I'm sure somewhere down the road I might. Even then, I would only sell to people I know and trust.
As the 3rd poster to the thread said, you already can simply by going to a FFL. I of course voted no.
So how about a list of documented examples showing this to be a problem worth worrying about? Or is this like worrying about underpants gnomes?
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