WOW! Students decide on CCW on campus?

[rocinante]

What a concept. Letting the irresponsible inmates actually have a say in what their institution allows for their personal protection. IMHO that is extremely AMERICAN but not very academically correct.


Students vote on campus carry

 

[Chrontius]

There's a similar movement gaining momentum on my campus. If I'm lucky, I'll see it get passed just in time to graduate.

Read about it here.

 

[Robert Hairless]

There's a huge difference between the right to defend one's own life against deadly force and rules about parking or behavior in a dormitory. It's a pity that we have university presidents and state legislators who don't understand the difference. Any state legislator worth his seat should horsewhip, then drive out into the streets, any university president who tries to make the campus off limits to a state-licensed CWP holder.

I've always been troubled by universities that think they can transform adults into children by the simple act of labelling them "students" once they step onto a campus.

The notion that a man or woman old enough to have children or even grandchildren must discard the means of effective self defense that they are licensed to carry off campus the moment they step on campus is bizarre thinking and indefensible.

 

[Jimmy Newman]

EDIT: Never mind, not appropriate for the Activism subforum.

 

[paramedic70002]

About 30 years ago at UVA, 2 adjacent fraternities had a little spat. It ended when someone shot a flaming arrow at the other and burned their house down. But there were no firearms involved!

 

[earthworm]

Assuming this passes the student forum will administration go along? & if administration goes along how will it be affected by state law that forbids such carry? Last I heard local,state & federal law took precidence over university regs.
P.S. MTSU is my alma mater.

 

[bdjansen]

Hey, I went to MTSU too. Just for a semester though.

I remember that there were a string of armed muggings shortly after I got there. I didn't have any friends I could go places with and was afraid to go out on my own.

I hope they can find a way to work it out and set an example for the rest of the country.

 

[earthworm]

Results

Killed by the student Senate 22-5.
Student comment:"It wouldn't be a good mix with all the alcohol abuse that goes on here."
Chief of MTSU police:"No way to tell a legal gun holder from the shooter." (A legitimate concern IMHO & one that's been discussed in this forum.)

 

[Airman193SOS]

Sure there is. There's an easy way to tell. The legal gun holder is the one

a) being thanked profusely by the students, all of whom have seen the real shooter,

b) not pointing the weapon at students,

c) who does what he's told when law enforcement shows up, and most glaringly obvious of all

d) is still alive.

That is a particularly lame rationale for denial.

 

[wheelgunslinger]

Yeah. We wouldn't want responsibility to get in the way of anything like drinking, would we?

 

[Docgmt]

Student comment:"It wouldn't be a good mix with all the alcohol abuse that goes on he

Maybe it is time for them to address their real problem.:banghead: The responsible adults with a CCW on campus probably would not be drinking any way.

 

[BADUNAME15]

Although I understand the argument, Having worked at a university for about 5 years, there are two issues.

1. 80% of the students are not 21 and in most states can not get a ccw.

2. I fear that most students do not have the maturity to own/carry a firearm, much less engage in lethal force encounters. Many people argue that college is about making mistakes and learning from them. Easy to do when you are hung over and miss a class, not so easy when you pull the trigger.

I think the answer to the "Active Shooter" is a qualified, trained response force on campus, ie Campus Police, Public Safety or security, as well as training the community to recognize and report active violence immediately.

 

[saltpepperPA]

APC, the right to carry on campus does not only include students. There are also teachers, faculty, and staff that would then have the option to carry. While some students do not have the maturity to handle firearms, there are more than you would think that do have the maturity, as well as the sense of responsibility.

As you mention many students are not 21 and therefore not legal to carry a concealed weapon, however, how does the "BG" know who is/isn't 21 and whether or not the faculty is carrying.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[saltpepperPA]

Even if it was passed by the student government, wouldn't it still be illegal in that state?

 

[xpun8]

Student comment:"It wouldn't be a good mix with all the alcohol abuse that goes on here."

Using that rational they also revoke all driver license as well, right?

 

[Robert Hairless]

Chief of MTSU police:"No way to tell a legal gun holder from the shooter."

That's also an excellent reason for not allowing police to carry a gun except while in uniform, and it's a great reason for not having unmarked police cars too.

Xpun8, it's important to protect a student's right to abuse alcohol. That university is an institution of higher education, so if a student can't get high he can't get educated. Everyone knows that.

What is "MTSU," by the way, and do many people there have a lot of trouble thinking clearly?

 

[FLORIDA KEVIN]

you know it is odd that Academics see their students as immature ,immoral chidren ! When no doubt at least some of their students high scool class mates wnet into the milliatary , were taught disipline ,trained to kill, armed and we don't see a lot of Soldiers ,Marines or Sailors killing each other over trivial stuff like parking spaces and prom dates !!