Your chosen 'MinuteMan' rifle....

[fiddleharp]

Okay, I'll check the Audie Murphy incident. It's been many years since I read the book, NO NAME ON THE BULLET, which recounts this dog incident.
I'll get back to you after I re-check this.
Okay, just got back from the library. I was wrong. The incident with the dog trainer wasn't a homocide. Murphy allegedly fired a gun at him and missed.

 

[Joe Demko]

I'll only have to *hit* him once. If he can still outrun me with a .30-06 wound (wherever it may be), I'm gonna wish I had a more powerful gun, not 500 rounds of ammo.
If I am engaged with enough people to justify 500 rounds at one time, that changes the equation entirely, and I would probably be in more trouble than I could handle anyways.

Yet in the wars that were fought with .30-06, .303, 7.62 R, and 8mm Mauser, men were shot and somehow managed to keep fighting. Sometimes, they were even shot multiple times.
Aside from "Uncle Joe who was in WWII" stories, what makes you confident that the .30-06 is single round effective at realistic combat ranges compared to the intermediate cartridges?

 

[kirklandkie]

for me all i have that's particularly effective is my s&w ar 15, i have 1 10 round mag, 2 20 round mags, and 4 30 round mags and enough ammo to load all of them. i have a good 25 stripper clips i could load up too with ten rounds each, the remaining ammo i suspect i'd leave at my apartment for the hounds. so my final load is:
1 ar 15
170 rounds in magazines
250 rounds in clips
most of you will sit there and say "***, where's your sidearm?". two reasons here, first of all i'm 20 and do not own a sidearm
secondly did you know that many of our troops in iraq do not carry sidearms?
shocking isn't it?

-kirk

 

[Guero4179]

Bolt action. The Semi auto intermediate cartridge guys will be cannon fodder for the post apocalyptic varmint hunters.

 

[IndianaBoy]

Bolt action. The Semi auto intermediate cartridge guys will be cannon fodder for the post apocalyptic varmint hunters.

I know where you are coming from... but an AR in 6.5 Grendel with a proper piece of glass is a better setup than any varmint cartridge I can think of.
Unfortunately my AR is a lowly 5.56/.223. I do have the Swift if I need to reach out and whack a mole.


My setup:

 

[Guero4179]

6.5gren in a tack driver AR is very nice but a rare and expensive setup (including ammo)

 

[Apachedriver]

secondly did you know that many of our troops in iraq do not carry sidearms?
shocking isn't it?

Umm...No not really shocking at all. A large portion of troops have never been outside the fence or even near it. Big difference between being in a combat zone and being in combat. Also, the ones that do go out are not in onesies and twosies but in squad and platoon-sized elements at the least. They each have at least a basic load of ammo along with an assortment of armor, armored vehicles, and comms to access more soldiers along with guys like me ready to respond overhead. Wild guess, but I'm sure you don't have the same.

Here and back home, my go to is an M4/M16 and sidearm everyday. After 22 years, it's what I'm most familiar with so I stick with it. Only difference is I'm much better with a 1911 than an M9.

What does matter is your mental ability to kill another human being

Soldiers and warriors....they're not synonyms.

 

[kirklandkie]

lol apache, well you're certainly correct in your thinking with the armor and squad sized elements etc. I'm still working towards buying up armor + side arms and hiring/equipping the personal army.
what service are you in? i assume army or marines?

-kirk

 

[Apachedriver]

US Army. I joined to "Be All that You Can Be", so I became an "Army of One" and only to find out I'm now "Army Strong". My name addresses my MOS.

If you get to where you can afford your own army, I may come looking for a job in a few years.

 

[martinc64]

M1A

love it love it love it.

 

[kirklandkie]

M1A

love it love it love it.

did someone say M1A? I prefer the M1B

with extra chainsaws of course

-kirk

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

My brother presented me with a hybrid AK-47 with Hungarian folding stock, and Romanian front end. He got a deal on several groups of parts some years ago, and finallly assembled them. He told me it was a "Trunk Gun", to be kept at hand in my vehicle. I added some US forarms, a Z-point sight on an Ultimak rail, and a green laser mounted under the barrel just for fun and psychological effect, should I have to get it out. I like the 7.62x39 for punching vehicles over the .223 and 5.45x39, so this "trunk gun" may end up in my hands someday, being the one I'm likely to have with me when I need something. To grab at home, or for do-it-all fighting, shooting, and scooting, I believe my pseudo-scout Remington 700 .30-06 with Burris Scout scope will shoot and run with the best of them. Lightning acquisition of the target and 3/4" minute accurate always astound me when shooting it. I think confidence with one's gun is maybe 90% of the package, and this "scout" makes me dangerous.....

 

[Dr. Fresh]

US Army. I joined to "Be All that You Can Be", so I became an "Army of One" and only to find out I'm now "Army Strong". My name addresses my MOS.

Hahaha that made me laugh.

So you're the pilot, eh? I'd rather man that huge cannon hanging off the nose of that thing! :-O

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

Wow, I added to this thread not knowing how far back it went. I have to comment on the M1 carbine. There are a lot of more modern and powerful guns nowadays, but the original & unaltered carbine is a thing of beauty in handling. Points well, carries easily, and as others have pointed out, kicks ass with SP or HP loads. Jim Cirillo of the NYPD stated it was the single best weapon, with immediate stopping power (with Rem SP loads) when his stakeout squad used them. The BIG advantage I see putting the M1 Carbine over the latest AR breed is that it isn't cluttered with lasers, flashlights, vertical grips, spare parts, batteries, extra sights, etc. It is sleek, light, and simple in performance. It would have to be at least 3-4 pounds lighter than a tricked out AR. Some have also claimed that with SP bullets, the carbine is equal to or superior to the .223 under 200 yards in knockdown. It is equally fast handling for me as any stripped down AR carbine.

 

[little miss]

DEAR 30mag I never said the 7.62 wasn't 30cal so what your point? taking my statement out of context... I could carry 800rnds of 5.56 a lot longer then you could carry 500rnds of 7.62 .... by the way did you know the 7.62 comes in many calibers?30-30 308-30-06-7.62x39-7.62x54..plus more.

 

[hak]

"Bolt action. The Semi auto intermediate cartridge guys will be cannon fodder for the post apocalyptic varmint hunters."

i voted "all of the above" and did the ar10 like LR-308



now considering a 16" upper in 7.62 for "any and all" 7.62 & .308 - the latter of which the one pictured will only do... but the .500 beowulf and 458 variants seem like a lot of fun...

 

[Apachedriver]

The BIG advantage I see putting the M1 Carbine over the latest AR breed is that it isn't cluttered with lasers, flashlights, vertical grips, spare parts, batteries, extra sights, etc. It is sleek, light, and simple in performance.

Buddy of mine just got his M1 Carbine from CMP and so help me if his words weren't almost exactly what you just said. I'd love to get one but not until I find ammo first. I'm not so optimistic right now.

So you're the pilot, eh? I'd rather man that huge cannon hanging off the nose of that thing!

Actually we're both pilots in there with full controls. We take turns flying and we both can also control the weapons. How we split it depends on what's going on at the time. Heck, sometimes we even work together.

 

[HorseSoldier]

The BIG advantage I see putting the M1 Carbine over the latest AR breed is that it isn't cluttered with lasers, flashlights, vertical grips, spare parts, batteries, extra sights, etc. It is sleek, light, and simple in performance.

None of that stuff matters, except when it does. When it does matter, the guy without it has a tendency to shoot second and get dead. Hanging every piece of tactical bric-a-brac off a rifle just to do it is silly, but in the hands of people who know how to use all those extra legos they make a real and significant difference in making the rifle/carbine more fightable and able to hit faster and/or further.

 

[Ignition Override]

Apachedriver:
One of our guys who was almost laid off, went back on active duty (to fly the DH "-7" in Korea), has a daughter who flew Apaches in "the sandbox". PIC, working for your country, is usually more rewarding than SIC, as a civilian.

 

[Apachedriver]

Horsesoldier -
I completely agree with you. If you don't have a need or the skill, why bother. For what I may need my carbine, plain jane is right. Maybe just an EO-Tech for operating in the dark but that's at most.


Ignition Override -
I've had several female pilots in my units out here over my last three deployments. I may know her. Just like the guys, some are good, some are good enough, and some make you wonder how and why. If you know who or when and what unit, toss me a PM. If not, for privacy, that's fine too.

 

[txcookie]

Good camo and cover with a ruger model 77 in 30.06! Figure if I need an assult rifle I could always just pop someone walking by with one

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

Horse Soldier, as stated earlier, confidence and competence with one's choice of weapons is probably 90%. I even went against the slim & trim on my "trunk gun - Ak 7.62", by adding a laser under the barrel, which was more of a fun choice than a poactical one. Even in that less conspicuous place, it still detracts from handling a bit. I realize that cops and soldiers have need of back up sights, flashlights, etc, but the question remains whether they add to the first hit capability or detract from it. Waving around and/or carrying a defensive rifle with an extra 3-5 pounds on it, at the very least, makes me suspect that it won't handle or point as well. Vertical for grips may or may not be an individuals cup of tea. To be ABLE to quickly add a flashlight might be o.k., but it also signals to the enemy EXACTLY where you are, and may be the aiming point for his fire. It seems one always sacrifices something to get something.

 

[H2O MAN]

Quote:
The BIG advantage I see putting the M1 Carbine over the latest AR breed is that it isn't cluttered with lasers, flashlights, vertical grips, spare parts, batteries, extra sights, etc. It is sleek, light, and simple in performance.

HorseSoldier

None of that stuff matters, except when it does. When it does matter, the guy without it has a tendency to shoot second and get dead. Hanging every piece of tactical bric-a-brac off a rifle just to do it is silly, but in the hands of people who know how to use all those extra legos they make a real and significant difference in making the rifle/carbine more fightable and able to hit faster and/or further.

HorseSoldier, well said.

 

[MHBushmaster]

Minuteman rifle: 20" AR15, ACOG high mounted on the A2 carry-handle, Free Float tube, colt 1/7" twist mil profile barrel, 5 USGI 30rd mags full of 75gr TAP out and ready, 5 more mags in my backpack. XD40 with 4 mags full of 180gr Speer Gold Dot.

Bugout rifle: M4 carbine with either Eotech 552/Aimpoint CompM2 with the same loadout of mags/handgun.

My wife would carry my AK-103 (saiga conversion) or my Rem700 BDL in .300 Win Mag for those "reach out and touch someone" needs. She can shoot, and she can also help me carry my long irons.

 

[IndianaBoy]

The BIG advantage I see putting the M1 Carbine over the latest AR breed is that it isn't cluttered with lasers, flashlights, vertical grips, spare parts, batteries, extra sights, etc. It is sleek, light, and simple in performance. It would have to be at least 3-4 pounds lighter than a tricked out AR.