Z-Medica introduces OTC version of Quickclot

[P0832177]

You guys believe what you want, but I know darn well that most people just like to tactickewl . Talk Talk Talk Talk or in the case Keyboard Keyboard Keyboard.

FACT in an emergency people default to their level of training. People do not rise to the occasion!

I do care about the CV of various posters, as you are the exception not the regular reader.

Most people do not seek out shooting instruction let alone will they seek out proper first aid instruction.

Places sell BOK some with devices that are best left to those that have the training, like
Each Kit Includes:

(1) Cinch Tight Compression "H" Bandage
(1) TK-4 Tourni-Kwik (3” wide 40" long Rugged Combat Tourniquet)
(1) Primed Gauze (crinkle cotton)
(1) Nasopharyngeal Airway (30FR Robertazzi Style)
(1) 14ga x 3 ¼ Catheter (sterile)
(1) Alcohol Prep Pad
(2) Safety Pins (2”) multipurpose
(1) Duct Tape (2”x100” roll)
(1) Set Nitrile N-Dex Gloves
(1) Three gram tube of Surgilube

I bet 98 percent of the posters could not id the landmarks for insertion?

Sure EMT-B class is long and can be expensive but the information will last you a life time. First Responder class is less involved, and provides a good foundation.

My assertion is that preplanning prevents problems. That means training, equipment consumerate to the education and training of the operator, communication means, and above all basic level of common sense.

I learned a long time ago that we treat patients, not machines! Medicine is hands on, not care from the keyboard, nursing from the desk, or other such drivel!

 

[BullfrogKen]

P0832177

I think Jeff was rather clear about going on with your rants without offering direct guidance and help.



Having actually had a gunshot accident happen at the Range I'm now President of, and at the event I've worked as an RO for coming up on a decade now, I could use a medical kit with those items in it. I could care less if it contains a catheter. A bandage would work a lot better than a sweaty T shirt.



What exactly you're trying to prove here, I'm not sure. But I can assure you that you won't be successful if its to berate the membership.

 

[Bix]

I bet 98 percent of the posters could not id the landmarks for insertion?

I could - you might want to revise that estimate down a bit .

I took a basic pistol class with John Farnam, and he devoted almost the entire lecture portion to treatment of gunshot wounds. He included a detailed segment on chest decompression. I received a bit of supplemental training and I now keep an 16ga BD Angiocath close at hand whenever I'm on the range.

My point is that this type of training is becomming more and more available within the firearms training community. Farnam (among others) now runs a class exclusively devoted to GSW treatment.

It has been my experience that many of the members that frequent this board are very well trained. Your continued presumptions to the contrary suggest that maybe you've not been paying close attention.

 

[Jim March]

Well I'll tell y'all right now I'm not going to be sticking a needle into anybody. I'm not stupid, and no I'm not paramedic-grade trained. I do give a damn whether somebody else lives or dies, I know where pressure points are, I've got big hands and I'm pretty sure I'm the type who'd use 'em.

Somebody mentioned in PM that a key concept with multiple victims is to choose who's likely to make it versus those it's not worth spending time on. I understand what triage is but...I'm not trained in that and it would be one hell of a thing to have to deal with. If I had QC available, I have to believe I'd have a chance at controlling major bleeding on more than one person.

I just can't see a downside to that, y'know?

Put it another way: to anybody here who IS very seriously trained...you and your best friend each have femorals blown out 3" above the knee, you're bleeding like crazy and all you've got is me.

You want me to have a pack of QC with me or not?

 

[alucard0822]

firearms should only be available to military, police and government certified individuals, everyday citizens do not have proper training in their use and pose a potential danger.

^ taken from a brady campaign statement circa 2003, I am sure we are all in agreement that this is flawed logic with no basis in fact, or even history.

How is OTC Q-clot different. A gun in the right hands can and has saved lives, there is little to no actual instruction required to buy or fire a gun, yet responsible use is probably on the order of 99.9% compared to misuse. I may be a little more optimistic than most, but I belive people are quite a bit more intelligent and resourceful than government, and most other people give them credit for.

Many if not most of the people on this board are former military, LEO, or at least people who have had at least basic first aid training,but not all, just in the same way that Concealed Carry allows people to have at their disposal tools that can stop a crime in progress, and the more that carry, the higher probabilty that when the wrong place and the wrong time merge with the right person lives can be saved.

Basically what I was taught is that for a severe wound step 1 is to apply direct pressure with the best material quickly available, step 2 if the bleeding won't stop on an extremity, to apply a tourniquet, identify and treat for shock and so on. QC is just another tool. If someone lacks the training to do anything other than run in circles and cry waiting for EM services to arrive, I can't see how having QC could make things much worse.

 

[pax]

Just remember this one
What is a paramedic without equipment?=EMT
What is an EMT without equipment?=Interested bystander!
What is an interest bystander?=Someone getting in the way of those tasked with taking care of the problem!

Just a little blast from the past, P0832177.

So, get as much training as you reasonably can. And have a good kit within reach, otherwise your training ain't going to do you or anyone else a whole lot of good.

pax

 

[ShackleMeNot]

We don't just sell medical gear. We also have classes on how to use it.

Medical Gear:
http://www.TacticalResponseGear.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=37

Medical Training:
http://www.TacticalResponse.com/courses/iamedical.php
http://www.TacticalResponse.com/courses/contractormedical.php

It isn't either/or. It needs to be both.

 

[torpid]

Thread derails aside, thanks for the heads up Jeff.

I learned even more about the various brands and am doing comparative searches on them now.

 

[thexrayboy]

Mass coagulants such as QuickClot are merely one more tool in the tool box.
Training and equipment are two sides of the same coin. All the equipment found in a trauma bay is useless without the trained people to use it and a trauma I surgeon is useless without the proper tools.

If you are into preparedness, and most of us should be, you should already know about training and proper equipment. Doesnt matter what the subject
is, training is key to knowing what equipment to acquire and how to use it.

If you have the $$$ to stock a trauma pack and include items like coagulants
I say go for it. Just remember that "good samaritan" laws cover you from
liability till you overstep your level of expertise. At that point you can be held accountable to standards of care so if you are going to be a hands on person get the needed training.