Zumbo: Gun rag writer trashes "Assault Weapons"

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To vote is to exercise political power. Political power IS force, and force IS violence.
I'll admit that algebra is not my strong suit, but it looks to me like the end equation is "V=Vi" where V is voting and Vi is violence. :confused:
 
.38, everyone is not an enemy. Lots of companies are. Ruger definately is. Colt doesn't like to sell to civilians. Remington even puts dimples in there 870's to keep us from upping the mag capacity. If we did more boycotting, the manf's would have no choice but to either comply with our demands, or go out of business. Now tell me what is wrong with that?
 
What is wrong with gunners putting three major American gun companies out of business? Please tell me you're not being serious.
 
.38,

I will not argue with your interpretation of what he meant. I will only point out that many other people interpreted it as I did, or worse. I saw one retired Army 0-6 being livid that he and others were being called terrorist because they chose to buy AR rifles after their service.

I am sure that you realize that a semiauto AR or AK is really no different in use than a Remington Model 8 that was sold in 1906.

Steve
 
I will not argue with your interpretation of what he meant.
Oh, pooh. :)

I will only point out that many other people interpreted it as I did, or worse.
Argumentem ad Populum.

I saw one retired Army 0-6 being livid that he and others were being called terrorist because they chose to by AR rifles after their service.
I hope he warmed up before jumping to that conclusion. It was an Olympian performance and typical of the "shoot first and ask questions later" mentality that worries me.

I am sure that you realize that a semiauto AR or AK is really no different in use than a Remington Model 8 that was sold in 1906.
I've got nothing against military styled semi-autos and have owned several. I am slightly concerned about the appearance of hunting with the AK-47 and SKS, but not enough to call for bans. I wish hunters who wanted a semi-auto for hunting would buy a BAR or somesuch on purely PR grounds, but as far as I am concerned, people who really want to hunt with an AK can go right ahead and do it. I hope they at least use appropriate ammo.
 
Looks like Zumbo is going to face the crowd on Ted Nugent's site (I don't know if its kosher to post links like that, so google can be your friend).

Ted has forgiven Zumbo and is ready to guide him back into the fold.


Sorry, I'm not. Maybe some day, when this fight is over and I can buy a new FA. Just way, way too soon. I'd have thought Ted would get that.
 
Remington even puts dimples in there 870's to keep us from upping the mag capacity.

This is so that they can sell the higher profit margin "tactical" version, which is still freely available to the common man.
 
This is so that they can sell the higher profit margin "tactical" version, which is still freely available to the common man.
Huh. You don't mean to say that a gunnie actually jumped to a conclusion before weighing all the facts?:evil:
 
.38 Special,

You said this "Argumentem ad Populum"

I am of the opinion that words do not mean what the writer thinks they mean, they mean what the reader thinks when he reads them. I would expect a professional writer to have given that idea a bit of thought.

I am sorry the Jim Zumbo is going down. At this time it is clear to me that he is down for the count. Knowing that, I hope that what has happened to him is taken as an example by other writers and that once they examine the arguments, they realize that they really do wish to support gun rights for all.

Steve
 
What is wrong with gunners putting three major American gun companies out of business?

What three major gun companies?

Swaroski and Gerber are not American owned companies and Stoney Point/Bushnell either haven't bothered to comment or don't seem to care what Zumbo wrote.

I made the decision to NOT suport them and tell others why I DO NOT support them.

If it makes you feel warm and fuzzy feel inside, free to buy as many of their products as you can afford. That is YOUR choice.
 
I am of the opinion that words do not mean what the writer thinks they mean, they mean what the reader thinks when he reads them.
Really? I know of a whole lot of folks that think the Second Amendment is about the National Guard. :evil:

I would expect a professional writer to have given that idea a bit of thought.
Ain't that the truth!

I am sorry the Jim Zumbo is going down. At this time it is clear to me that he is down for the count. Knowing that, I hope that what has happened to him is taken as an example by other writers and that once they examine the arguments, they realize that they really do wish to support gun rights for all.
Agreed. But the Ruger affair did nothing to prevent the Colt affair, and the Colt affair did nothing to prevent the S&W affair, and Jim Zumbo apparently didn't learn a damned thing from any of it. And the end result is that, while the gun community may have once again made its opinion crystal clear, the rest of the country is presented with an image of angry, paranoid lock-steppers eating their own.

So who do we go after next?
 
Black Hunting Rifles...

I've got nothing against military styled semi-autos and have owned several. I am slightly concerned about the appearance of hunting with the AK-47 and SKS, but not enough to call for bans. I wish hunters who wanted a semi-auto for hunting would buy a BAR or somesuch on purely PR grounds, but as far as I am concerned, people who really want to hunt with an AK can go right ahead and do it. I hope they at least use appropriate ammo.

Dude,

Gee, thanks for not calling for bans because you're slightly concerned about the appearance of the guns that some people opt to hunt with. I'm slightly concerned about the lengths we go to, in order not to offend those who don't approve of what we do. And, I'm slightly concerned about those pistols that people keep around the house and on their person (referencing your call sign), but not concered enough yet to support a ban....

See the pattern there? If we start banning things that people are concerned about, and worry about PR versus safeguarding Constitutional rights, we're gonna head in a downward spiral that will only get worse. Acting in deference to people who would deny us Constitutional rights is NO way to go about things. Don't be smug about toting an AR-15 into the field, but don't be shy about it, either. It's a rifle, functioning like many other rifles.

If the people who were scared of the AR-15s and black rifles only knew how much MORE powerful my .06 and .338 WinMag were, they'd be worrying about something else... :)

Michael
 
Gee, thanks for not calling for bans because you're slightly concerned about the appearance of the guns that some people opt to hunt with. I'm slightly concerned about the lengths we go to, in order not to offend those who don't approve of what we do. And, I'm slightly concerned about those pistols that people keep around the house and on their person (referencing your call sign), but not concered enough yet to support a ban....
Gimme a break, mate. I wish people wouldn't hunt with AK-47s because it looks bad to the general public and -- like it or not -- this is a PR game. That doesn't mean I want to ban them, regulate them, or otherwise infringe upon the rights of Americans to own and use them for legal purposes. It also doesn't mean I'm an enemy of the Constitution, a communist, a Nazi, or a Generally Unsavory Guy.

See the pattern there? If we start banning things that people are concerned about, and worry about PR versus safeguarding Constitutional rights, we're gonna head in a downward spiral that will only get worse. Acting in deference to people who would deny us Constitutional rights is NO way to go about things. Don't be smug about toting an AR-15 into the field, but don't be shy about it, either. It's a rifle, functioning like many other rifles.
Apart from your mention of "banning" -- trying to slip one in under the radar, hmm? :neener: -- I will again point out that we are involved in a PR game whether we like it or not. I imagine we've all winced at media images of some drooling moron in camo talking about the communists trying to take away our guns, or the headline about the dimwit who accidentally shoots five babies while cleaning his old thutty-thutty.

And, like it or not, the image of a guy in the woods with a "terrorist" rifle -- and yes, that is exactly what an awful lot of Americans think of the AK-47 -- doesn't mesh with the clean and wholesome image we want associated with hunting. It sucks, it's not fair, and a certain kind of gunnie is going to react strongly to anyone who phrases the situation in such words, but that's the modern reality.

So, what's the solution? Well, we could try to educate the public while at the same time doing everything we can to maintain good PR.

Or we can simply "Zumbo" any gunnie who dares step out of line.
 
uhhhhhhhh......If pics are available of someone getting "Zumbo-ed". Please do NOT post them here.
 
From what I've seen of the less savory gun sites around the net... I can just about guarantee that such pictures are out there. :eek:
 
I wish people wouldn't hunt with AK-47s because it looks bad

Argh! If we don't hunt with them, they come after them as non-sporting. That's exactly why my Remington 30/06 hasn't taken a deer, but my AKs, ARs, and G3 have.

Let's just hope Ted can prove to Zumbo how great black, plastic rifles are for hunting so they have a purpose and we don't need to ban them.

It isn't about hunting....:banghead:
 
If the 7.62x39mm (standard AK round) is allowed by LAW and the hunter in question uses the LEGAL magazine size, then what is the problem? If you are afraid of the implications of not being politically correct, then you are not a true supporter of the 2A PERIOD. Never give in to the antis. Give them an inch and they will take a MILE!!!!!
 
The more we hunt with those scary rifles, the more people realize that they are just like any other sporting arm.

Yup. They'll be "concerned" with how the guns look as long as they're strange and unusual.

Semiautos are over a century old. People should be used to them by now.

Screw perceptions or "concern." Go out and hunt with an AK. People on the fence need to think of them as "just another rifle."

I'm sure this (which has been posted numerous times) makes some people nervous, too:

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Guess what? My daughter thinks those people are wimps.:evil:
 
Apart from your mention of "banning" -- trying to slip one in under the radar, hmm? -- I will again point out that we are involved in a PR game whether we like it or not. I imagine we've all winced at media images of some drooling moron in camo talking about the communists trying to take away our guns, or the headline about the dimwit who accidentally shoots five babies while cleaning his old thutty-thutty.

hmmmm - I believe your exact words were "...but not enough to call for bans", so what am I slipping in under the radar?

And - I've never seen those images you mention, or heard about a guy killing 5 babies with a 30-30, have I been missing something?

And, like it or not, the image of a guy in the woods with a "terrorist" rifle -- and yes, that is exactly what an awful lot of Americans think of the AK-47 -- doesn't mesh with the clean and wholesome image we want associated with hunting. It sucks, it's not fair, and a certain kind of gunnie is going to react strongly to anyone who phrases the situation in such words, but that's the modern reality.

Seems to me that inter-racial couples didn't conjure up clean and wholesome images back in the 60s and 70s, and we got past that, didn't we? My point being, the situation will not become more palatable by ACTING as if we are doing something wrong - so don't give anyone reason to hesitate in using their AK or SKS as a hunting rifle, by things we say here about PR and image. If more guys used them as hunting rifles, in 10 years it probably wouldn't be an issue anymore.
 
Seems to me that inter-racial couples didn't conjure up clean and wholesome images back in the 60s and 70s, and we got past that, didn't we? My point being, the situation will not become more palatable by ACTING as if we are doing something wrong - so don't give anyone reason to hesitate in using their AK or SKS as a hunting rifle, by things we say here about PR and image. If more guys used them as hunting rifles, in 10 years it probably wouldn't be an issue anymore.
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