Zumbo: Gun rag writer trashes "Assault Weapons"

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i am willing to let the guy redeem himself.

how many of Us have changed our opinioins late in adulthood? I often run across posts here by former Antis or former whatevers who have come to have a deeper love of all freedoms. Anyone here who has changed their mind about anything as an adult is a hypocrite if they do not allow Zumbo to change hsi mind and come to our side. Realize it has been less than a week since this man has been slammed for his opinion. An intelligent man considers carefully any change in opinion.
i think I understand a bit where he is coming from. His passion is hunting. Hunting is attacked my more than just anti second amendment people, they have the whole peta wacko types to deal with. I think in his passion to preserve hunting he was willing to make the anti gun statements that he made. In all honesty, i think he made those in ignorance. Maybe his ignorance is inexcusable. I tent to despise anyone who calls for a ban on something they dislike, or do not know. But then again, it took a while for me to develop my libertarian leanings.
how often are we as gun owners willing to overlook somone who supports a more socialist state simply because they support the second amendment? I often run across people on this forum who support the secong amendment but are al for wealth redistribution which is anti freedom, or other gunnies that want this or that law passed.
Yes, he screwed up, yes he spewed some anti freedom, anti second amendment drivel that can be devastating. But, I think we ought to givehim a chance to understand the importance of freedom and the second amendment. If he can be educated in the imprtance of those things then we can have a someone who is a great asset.
when you are tempted to skewer Zumbo, I want you to think of all the people you support undconditionally simply because fo their gun stance and thin kabout their attitudes about other freedoms.
 
Maybe...maybe...but he ain't redeeming himself.

His thoughtful apology after the firestorm has him saying:
I was totally unaware that they (AR-15s) were being used for legitimate hunting purposes.
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You're right, there's more to a man than his beliefs on gun rights. But that's not the point with Zumbo, he was and is anti-non hunting gun. I don't care about his opinion on anything else after that. We don't, or shouldn't, give anyone a free pass just because they're pro-gun. But if you're an anti, then you can't make it up with any of your other opinions in my book.

Agree or disagree, that's your right, but I'm a hard-liner on this issue and I have no inclination to let this guy off the hook after a few hours.
 
I'm just surprised this thread has finally slowed down some. What with the related threads on the board, we've spent about a thousand posts on this guy. Compelling story, though.
 
Yet another Fudd.

http://fieldandstream.blogs.com/gunn...mment-61252814
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""""Gun owners -- all gun owners -- pay a heavy price for having to defend the availability of these weapons ... [and] [t]he American public -- and the gun-owning public; especially the gun-owning public -- would be better off without the hardcore military arms, which puts the average sportsman in a real dilemma."""""

-- Column by David Petzal, "Endangered Tradition" column in Field and Stream, June 1994.
 
THAT David Petzal???

That's the same sonuvabitch that threw us under the bus in 1994!

God! I'd forgotten all about him!

And Field & Stream is still paying that guy?

Oh, Lord.

This whole elitist "hunter good, shooter bad" thing is more endemic than I thought.

This isn't some one-time aberration by a guy that was too tired to avoid the "T" word. This is cultural.

Man, we gotta talk to these guys.

Oh, and somebody drop a bus on Petzal, would ya?
 
Yet another Fudd.

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For 40 years, Jim has been a spokesman and ambassador of good will for hunting.
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Which only makes his comments that much more damaging. People listen to the man. They respect him. He's an authority. The "ambassador of good will for hunting" gave a big box of ammo to a very powerful enemy in a time of war. He needs to fade away. And may the next "ambassador of good will for hunting" understand that the gun grabbers won't stop with AR-15's. They want it all.
 
Yeah. I found his comments outrageous and angering, but I see people write things just as bad everyday, even on this forum,... and I'm sure the rest of you do too. He deserved a strong reprimand from the gun community. But I wouldn't wish for it to utterly destroy that person's career. I'd give him another chance.
 
I have no doubt that Zumbo's apologetic comments were sincere and he realizes what a stupid thing he said. Nonetheless, his comments have now been memorialized by the anti's. He can no longer have a place in the firearms community as an expert or a spokesman or a writer. The more prominent he is or becomes, the more substance will be given to his comments.

The best thing that can happen is for him to disappear and enjoy his retirement. Five years from now, all they can say is "former hunting writer said...."

Hopefully, his only lasting contribution will be his name as a new noun and verb in the English language.
 
Five years from now, all they can say is "former hunting writer said...."
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Their arguments are built on such lies.

Check out (and please DO NOT use his name) their "world expert" on "assault weapons."

He's got SIXTY google hits, all of them on Brady-managed sites.

Now, if he's REALLY a world expert, wouldn't he have some credentials? Papers? Articles? The man is supposed to be an EXPERT in the use and function of "assault weapons," and claims the TEC 9 was designed for (IIRC), "commandos to attack airfields.":scrutiny: :what: :eek: :rolleyes: :banghead:

Now...google my name...

I'm not a "world expert." But compare the hit rate.
 
Campaign to dump David Petzal who supported "AWB" in 1994.

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June 1994

David E. Petzal, for one, thinks the present radicalization of the NRA is hurting the interests of gun owners. Petzal, who has given thousands of dollars to the NRA, writes the "Endangered Tradition" column in Field and Stream, another centenarian institution, many of whose 2 million readers are also in the NRA. This June, the magazine made a landmark decision to break with the NRA. "it took tremendous courage," says executive editor Petzal.

"The bugle call known as reveille is a cheerful, energetic tune that, when I was in the Army, few soldiers actually got to hear," he writes in an editorial. "Real-world reveille came for gun owners this February," in the form of the assault weapons ban. Petzall like the NRA, believes that this legislation is too broad. This is partly because it would ban weapons like "the AR-15/M-16, and the MIA in modified [semiautomatic] form, which are highly accurate, and have a legitimate place in organized target competition."

But assault weapons are also implicated in terrible acts of violence, like the Stockton, California, shooting in which a deranged man killed five children and wounded 29 others using a semiautomatic AK-47 clone. "Gun owners -- all gun owners -- pay a heavy price for having to defend the availability of these weapons," writes Petzal. "The American public -- and the gun-owning public; especially the gun-owning public -- would be better off without the hardcore military arms, which puts the average sportsman in a real dilemma" Petzal concludes by advocating compromise, something that Knox and other members of his regime say they will never accept.

To the Knox regime, the hunters' qualms are beside the point. "It's not about Bambi, for God's sake," says Larry Pratt, of Gun Owners of America, who believes the NRA should stop pretending to be an organization of sport shooters and make it clear that its first priority is to defend the Second Amendment.
 
I was in the sevice in 1994.

I obviously missed Petzal's comments. Another one to soon bite the gunwriting dust, I hope. Kinda sucks, though. I've usually enjoyed his column. What must be done to help the cause of retaining our Second Amendment rights (along with the rest of them) must be done, though. I wish I'd known sooner, I've got a couple years left on a renewal. I'll have to write the subscription department and cancel, with a leter to the editor.
 
Guys, we're still fighting a losing battle, and preaching the choir.

THR is historically "tactical." Lots of military rifle folks, self defense folks, etc.

Not a lot of duck hunters. That's who we need to go after. Not to eliminate from the face of the earth, either, clowns... But to get the "gun culture" unified.
 
Does anyone have anything on Petzal that is a little more recent? I cheack out his blog once in a while and while it focuses mostly on hunting, have never read that he supported some kind of ban. Maybe someone should ask if he still supports an AWB. From his blog:

When Only the Cops Have Guns, Who Watches the Watchers?
I’m on the e-mail list for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, and what I get is always interesting, even if I don’t agree with it. The most recent arrival is a statement of Joshua Horwitz, who is Executive Director of the Coalition. Mr. Horwitz is exercised over the Senate’s vote on July 13 to prohibit law enforcement officials from using federal funds to confiscate private firearms during future emergencies and major disasters.

What is particularly interesting about this e-mail is not so much Mr. Horwitz position, but the basic assumptions on which it rests, which are common to many anti-gunners.

Assumption Number One: Anyone who owns a firearm is a likely psychotic, because normal, law-abiding people do not need firearms and would not be allowed to own them in the best of all possible Americas.

The fact is that the people who were doing the shooting in New Orleans were the usual thugs, felons, and hoodlums of which the city has a plentiful supply. Most people—legal gun owners included—were too busy trying to stay alive to bother with shooting at the police and National Guard.

Assumption Number Two: If the citizenry is an armed mob, then the forces of government, the police, etc., are always just, fair, and efficient, ready to protect you when trouble comes.

I would sooner have Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrow protecting my old ass than the New Orleans police. During the Katrina unpleasantness, 250 of them simply deserted, others looted, and 4 were cited for brutality. And when it was over, their chief resigned in disgrace. And these are the guys who are going to save you?

Mr. Horwitz goes on to say: “…But what if the next crisis is something worse [than Katrina]—a biological chemical, or nuclear attack on the United States? Do we really want to tie the hands of law enforcement and restrict their flexibility in dealing with a catastrophic event?”

Think a minute. If we get anthraxed, or nuked, or Sarined, it is scarcely going to matter who has what in the way of guns. Our troubles are going to go far, far beyond that. But people who believe as Mr. Horwitz does see the world as a simpler place. Remove the guns and all will be well.

Here is another blurb about anti-gun editorials:

Rule Number Two: Ignore what actually happens when a pro-gun law goes into effect. Minnesota passed its right to carry law a year ago. Since then, people are not shooting people in larger numbers than usual, and the police have not been flooded with applications from touchy citizens who want to go heeled in case someone disses them. Actually, nothing has happened. Nothing also happened when Bubba Clinton’s assault weapons ban sank below the waves, courtesy of a sunset clause.


It doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement of the AWB. Is it possible he had a change of heart?
 
The main thing is to convince the Fudds that "semiautomatic weapons of mass destruction military style rambo killing machines" bear a strong resemblance to a "Highly accurate telescopically sighted long range sniper assassin weapons" and that killing Bambi is an atavistic "blood sport" practiced by men with small penises to acquire validation of their failing manhood.

We're all in this together.

Who's on some hunting boards?
 
Put me down as not being a fan of Petzel or Zumbo and for all the reasons stated previously. As a matter of fact, I'm shopping for a black rifle for which to hunt and building an "evil" black shotgun. I've had enough of the elistists. This weekend I'm picking up 4 or six bricks of .22 just because.

BTW, is it my imagination or has the quality of those magazines gone down the tube. They are the size of comic books and not very entertaining at all.
 
The main thing is to convince the Fudds that "semiautomatic weapons of mass destruction military style rambo killing machines" bear a strong resemblance to a "Highly accurate telescopically sighted long range sniper assassin weapons" and that killing Bambi is an atavistic "blood sport" practiced by men with small penises to acquire validation of their failing manhood.

We're all in this together.

Who's on some hunting boards?
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I am on several hunting boards and the hunting section on this board is one that I always check. I can honeslty say that among the posters on those boards, JZ's opinion is in the very small minority. There are a few people that spout off about "rambo in the woods," and "I suppose you want to use bazookas and grenades?" These people are usually met with a flurry of harsh critiques similar to the ones I have read here. I, and many others, will continue to be a voice or reason on those sites.

This Fudd is also planning on using one of his terrorist rifles to hunt this year. If my Sig 556 ever gets here, I'll use that. If it doesn't then I'll use my AK and post pictures on this site and the hunting sites. I'd also like to see other hunters do the same, so we can show that we are all in this together.

BTW, my penis is not small.
 
SteveS: I was paraphrasing the antis.

Of course, by denying the "fact" of being small, you're obviously compensating;)

I recall that debate with a psychiatrist who stated categorically that "guns are symbolic penises and a compensating mechanism."

I replied, "I saw you pull into the parking lot in a BMW."

That was pretty much the end of the debate:evil:

Glad to hear the Fudds and the Rambos are all on the same page. What about the Bench Sitters, Mall Ninjas, Bunny Hunters and Can Plinkers?
 
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