Zumbo: Gun rag writer trashes "Assault Weapons"

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Petzal

I've done my best to scan the threads to find out Petzal's full and official response to Zumbo. My reading of the 2/22 Petzal blog entry essentially takes us to task, tells us we are wrong, and impliedly agrees wit Zumbo.

But - is there anywhere that Petzal as directly stated he agrees with what Zumbo said? I'd just like to see it officially.

I didn't know about Petzal 1994. Looks like he needs to go too. Shame, I usually like his columns.
 
2nd Zumbo Apology

Content has improved over the prior 2 writings and I believe he is contrite, for several reasons, among which is the loss of a job, the likes of which many of us can only dream about. As far as I am concerned, there is no need for additional apology. Now is the time for his actions to “speak louder than” the ill-chosen, damaging “words” he espoused in his blog. He needs to comprehend the 2nd Amendment aspect of this issue. Unfortunately, as a "recognized expert" in the hunting field, he and his comments are highly visible . . . with this comes responsibility. "Experts" obviously cannot accurately opine on those aspects of the shooting sports of which they have no "expertise" or knowledge. I wish him well in his quest for education and hope he realizes that at issue is the Second Amendment, not hunting. Hunting issues involve caliber selection, land access, seasons, wildlife management, among others. Gun ownership issues involve the right to keep and bear arms, period.

I'm not "doing backflips or dancing in the street" because he lost his job, but because we, as a part of the firearms fraternity united and protested the wrong he unwittingly opted to publish, made our collective voice heard, and effected change as a result. I am sincerely appreciative of those sponsors who supported us. His comments were unconscionable from one in his highly-visible position. Our galvanization is a positive thing; may it persevere in the continuing gun rights battle.

Nor did we "strip him of his career." In unison, we exercised OUR right to free speech to lodge protest over his erroneous, damaging, and slanderous commentary. Mr. Zumbo and he alone chose to author his "ill-conceived inflammatory blog," that "set off a firestorm" on the world-wide forum. His actions are the root cause of his untimely demise.

Now I watch, fervently hope we continue to hold our ground and unity, and wait to see how the looming battle progresses from here. I'm a hunter, a target shooter, a tactical firearms owner, a gun collector . . . A GUN OWNER! More importantly from a personal perspective, I am now a more involved 2nd Amendment activist than I was in the past. For that I reckon I owe a thank you to Mr. Zumbo. Godspeed to us all.
 
I second Koga46, amen. I've been emailing all morning, mostly Field & Stream, but several to my congress critter. In my small humble way I will try my best to stop HR1022, and all those that support it.
 
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Let's be sure to keep this idea in mind when we post on controversial topics and individuals -

Post in haste and repent forever!

We have seen that internet interest groups can have a rapid and significant effect on issues. But the speed that is inherent in the internet can also be dangerous to the very cause you support. Choose your words carefully and don’t let your passion overcome your reason because you may have to face them some day. You may not forgive or forget, but don't provide any ammunition to our enemies. If you see no value in having someone redeem themselves by dedicating their time to our side, it can be said without allowing the enemy to take hasty words and paint us as lunatics. If you think there is a way towards redemption, then keep in mind what you post is permanent and requiring an unreasonable sacrifice as the first step also opens us up to being labeled as loons.
 
hso,

I agree.

I predict at this moment typed words are being cut, copied and archived of Responsible Firearm Owners, and those that strive to Protect Freedom - by OUR enemies and will be used against us.

Eleven years later Rebecca Peters still uses words a Profession Hunter's Association spoke in regard to firearms in Australia.

I also predict some Forums, will be shut down, or memberships will require re-evaluation ,considerations, and special terms of use as members.

Some very immature, not responsible posting going on, and these same members ranting, raving and posting as they are, will be stepping and fetching when they read their posts being used again Freedoms, and the firearms they prefer.


For new folks, THR came about from TFL. TFL raised the bar in regard to Internet Gun Forums. Asked to continue to raise the bar, THR , TFL and sister sites and blogs continue to raise the bar.

THR , Oleg and some members of THR already have been targeted by Enemies of Freedom. THR, Oleg and these members targeted are a threat to Tyranny.

Let us keep the perspective to have Tyranny fear US, and defend against US and not have the time or inclination to attack us.


Remember- be careful out there - Hill Street Blues
 
lesson to be learned.
Never trust;
"Sportman's Groups"
"Hunters Groups"
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I say BS. That sounds just as ignorant and narrow minded as what Zumbo said. Are they agreeing with what Zumbo said?
 
lesson to be learned.
Never trust;
"Sportman's Groups"
"Hunters Groups"
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I've found the hunters to be very supportive in this matter. I get the feeling the ones that are defending Zumbo are older and may be very put off by our flaming of him. They're just not used to this stuff. Some are sentimentalists and are being nice to a guy they've read for years and years. I've seen very few come out and say what he said was right. EXCEPT DAVID F@$#ING PETZAL BACK IN 1994:barf:
 
Give some time for the dust to settle. Then Zumbo can come back, assuming he understands why his remarks cause such a firestorm. I would not want to see him cast out forever. Just like the (late) Bill Ruger's comments, there's a point beyond which holding a grudge makes no tactical sense.
 
I've got four hot Slovenian venison sausages in the skillet as we speak. The doe in question was taken with a *gasp* SKS. I'll be thinking of good 'ol Jim and his arguments, as I do my darndest to be fat and happy.
 
I say BS. That sounds just as ignorant and narrow minded as what Zumbo said. Are they agreeing with what Zumbo said?
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although it's a bit off-topic, sadly, mine seems to. I'm a member of the Oak Ridge Sportsmans Association (ORSA). It's a fantastic club if you're into competition of almost any type (clays, cowboy, high power, small bore, archery, ipsc), and 1200 members strong, but anything that doesn't involve an organized sport is strongly frowned upon, and the attitudes of the people there are very zumboish in their arrogance and general disdain for non-sporting equipment.

Worse, that club has banned more guns than most liberal states. I can sorta understand why they would ban 50bmgs, since courtesy to neighbors is always a good thing. But banning silencers? how could that possibly be anything other than stupid?
 
OK, now we have to go to work on Petzal.

He's compared us all to mental patients for reacting to Zumbo's blog.

He actually wrote a column supporting the 94 AWB in Field and Stream that is still quoted by the Bradyites.

Time to forget Zumbo, and bring the pain.
 
How can anyone translate my comment as agreeing with Zumbo??
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I said your comment was "as ignorant" as Zumbo's. I never said you agreed with him. Hunters never elected Zumbo their leader. He does not speak for them, or most of them, at least.
 
thank you notes

after the flaming barrage of 'fire zumbo' mail that many of his sponsors endured, it would probably be helpful to send some notes of appreciation to the sponsors who positively responded. let them know you heard their response.
 
Where did I say I ws spealking for anyone but myself.
My lead line was "lesson to be learned"
Read Taliv's comment on his own club.
Mostly when I read statements by Sportsman's clubs it reads like something from the Seirra Club. "We spend lots of money supporting the enviorment and paying for rangers." Rarely is the word GUN used in their presentations.
Are there exceptions, yes! Are they common, no!
The President of the Florida Sportsmans Association is Marion Hammer. Former President of the NRA. Since leaving her spot at the NRA rarely is she seen defending the group I would call Gun Owners. Never have I seen anything that her group has sent to out Federal Legislators. HR 1022, total silence.
So my experience on this world of 61 years tells me to generally distrust "Sportsman" as supporters of the 2A.
Sorry if you don't agree. But, you are entitled.

I'm done. No more comments from me. Have a great day,

AFS
 
AFS,

I don't get your post. Could you please explain it as it was too cryptically brief to get the meaning and I don't want to make assumptions about your meaning.
 
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