The quest for 28 gauge buckshot - reload equipment?

[Eric F]

If you could find brass shells I would load slugs like no tomorrow. Might come close to 50-90 sharps or 500 S&W mag since they produce similar ballistics.

Seems here recently there was a thread on the 450/570 martini that thread had a link to a place that had odd ball brass. might be worht a look

ok look here http://www.magtechammunition.com/si...tails&templateId=14&pageId=103&search=details

as far as a press and such well not too sure I am still looking

well after looking on a internet search and cheching with the shot shell gu-ru he said a mec is going to be the best bet.

 

[wdlsguy]

This might be of interest:

http://www.rockymountaincartridge.com/page10.html

 

[scrat]

loading brass shells you can do it like the post i made. Same exact concept

here is the link.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=390721

take a look you can do brass shells like this too

 

[Sylvan-Forge]

Eric F, Thank you for your thoughts. I forsee I'm going to get into brass shell loadings as soon as I get the plastic ones squared away. Looks like a lot of fun, for sure!
Not sure what kind of prices yet for the custom CH4D dies, but maybe I could also grab the dies they currently make for brass shotshells.

Did you see the 183 gr. ball on the link rcmodel gave? That might be cool to play with!

To add, .. Circlefly has the charts and components to reload Magtech brass.
Magtech recommends them on the FAQ page.


wdlsguy & scrat,
I'll definitely be learning the old school way too. In fact I think it is as prudent (SHTF skill) as it is fun.

wdlsguy, thank you for the link and
scrat, thank you for linking your instructional thread.
Most excellent!

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[scrat]

i couldnt even begin to tell you how many 12 guage shells i have made like that. Well i originally had a box of 1000 over the shot wads and now im down to probably around 100 or less. MMMM going to have to reorder. circle fly wads.

 

[Sylvan-Forge]

You've inspired me, scrat!
I think I'm gonna take one down and put it back together again.



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[scrat]

you need an over the shot card of some type. i guess you can use a sturdy piece of cardboard or plastic. Its not hard. get the gun. go to circle fly and order the over the shot wads and felt wads. then go shooting look up the load data so you can match the powder to the shot or buck. then load. its so soo easy

 

[Eric F]

I agree this is one of the coolest most informative threads I have seen in reloading, since I am already loading the big 50 with black powder maybe its time to buy an old double in an odd ball sice and load brass shot shells for it, I'm headed to gunbroker to see whats around!

 

[scrat]

Oh Eric you have to try black powder loads. 60 grains goex 3/8 felt wad with 7/8 #7 shot with an over the shot card. All i can say is wow. My older son loves those. oh use 2ff Goex. amazing the blast is very loud. But the recoil is not that bad. the pattern is awesome. I shoot it out of my 12 guage NEF. WOW awesome. About a month ago i was at the range some guys were trap shooting i wasnt. but i went to the sillhouette side to try a few of those bp rounds. The guys that were trap shooting had also came over there. I was pretty impressed with the pattern of these rounds. The guys came over and asked what i was shooting ammo wise. i told them. Then gave them a few rounds to try. They immediately went over to the trap shooting area. Came back and wrote down the load and took one of the spent cases.


Thats the load that was in guns of the old west a year ago

 

[Sylvan-Forge]

Inspired by scrat and his thread!

Thanks, scrat!

Used a piece of thin cardboard for the overshot card, .. here 'tis:

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[scrat]

You serious. Congrats. make sure you use some elmers glue on the corners to keep the shot card in place. awesome job. So you need the wads, the powder check some load charts and your good to go. print out the page i made and thats all you need. you can make up the tools yourself. Awesome job. im so glad you tried it. fantastic

 

[wdlsguy]

Anybody know where I can get 28 gauge non-black powder recipes for brass or plastic hulls, using an over-powder wad, cushion wad, and over-shot card? I've been wanting to make up some 28 gauge buckshot loads for some time as well.

 

[plumberroy]

You can get 15 #4 buck in a 28 gauge wad cup stacking them by hand .they weigh 3/4 oz just like a standard load I am waiting on an order from Ballistic products to continue my experiments. I was using an old lee loader but those go for half of what a mec cost on ebay .I picked up a old texan reloader the other day . I have a 28 gauge load with 1 .490 round ball Are you interested?

 

[scrat]

follow the link i made you dont even need a lee loader. i will check on getting you some load data for 28

 

[scrat]

Load Type Gauge Shot Wt. Powder Primer Wad Powder Wt. (Gr.) Pressure Vel. (ft/s)

Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Universal Rem. 209P Rem. PT28 13.8 11,600 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Universal Win. 209 PC28 13.7 10,900 PSI 1200

Shell: 2 3/4" WINCHESTER AA PLASTIC SHELLS

Load Type Gauge Shot Wt. Powder Primer Wad Powder Wt. (Gr.) Pressure Vel. (ft/s)

Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. SR 7625 Rem. 209P CB 1034-28 14 12,300 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. SR 7625 Rem. 209P Fed. 28S1 13.5 12,400 PSI 1150
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. SR 7625 Rem. 209P PC28 13.5 12,000 PSI 1150
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. SR 7625 Rem. 209P WAA28 14 12,300 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Universal CCI 209SC PC28 13 12,000 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Universal CCI 209SC Rem. PT28 13.2 12,200 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Universal CCI 209SC WAA28 13 12,400 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Universal Rem. 209P Rem. PT28 13.2 11,900 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Universal Win. 209 PC28 13.2 11,900 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Universal Win. 209 WAA28 13 10,800 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. HS-6 CCI 209SC WAA28 16.6 11,500 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. HS-6 Rem. 209P PC28 16.4 12,400 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. HS-6 Rem. 209P WAA28 17.1 10,900 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. HS-6 Rem. 209P WAA28 17.5 11,800 PSI 1225
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. HS-6 Rem. 209P WAA28 17.8 12,100 PSI 1250
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. HS-6 Win. 209 Rem. PT28 16.7 12,000 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. HS-6 Win. 209 WAA28 17.1 10,900 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. HS-6 Win. 209 WAA28 17.5 11,600 PSI 1225
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. HS-6 Win. 209 WAA28 17.9 12,300 PSI 1250
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. SR 4756 Rem. 209P CB 1034-28 14 12,000 PSI 1150
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. SR 4756 Rem. 209P PC28 14.5 12,200 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. SR 4756 Rem. 209P WAA28 14 11,500 PSI 1150
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. SR 4756 Win. 209 CB 1034-28 14 12,100 PSI 1150
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. SR 4756 Win. 209 Fed. 28S1 14 12,500 PSI 1150
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. SR 4756 Win. 209 PC28 14.5 12,000 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. SR 4756 Win. 209 WAA28 14 11,400 PSI 1150
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. 800-X Fed. 209A CB 1034-28 12.5 11,700 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. 800-X Fed. 209A Fed. 28S1 12 12,000 PSI 1150
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. 800-X Fed. 209A PC28 13 12,300 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. 800-X Fed. 209A WAA28 12.5 11,600 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. 800-X Rem. 209P CB 1034-28 13.5 10,200 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. 800-X Rem. 209P Fed. 28S1 13.5 11,500 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. 800-X Rem. 209P PC28 13 11,400 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. 800-X Rem. 209P WAA28 14 9,700 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. 800-X Win. 209 CB 1034-28 13 11,200 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. 800-X Win. 209 Fed. 28S1 12.5 12,200 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. 800-X Win. 209 PC28 13 12,000 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. 800-X Win. 209 WAA28 13 11,400 PSI 1200
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot CCI 209M PC28 14.1 12,200 PSI 1225
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot CCI 209M Rem. PT28 14.1 12,000 PSI 1225
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot CCI 209M WAA28 14.1 12,100 PSI 1225
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot Fed. 209A PC28 14.2 12,100 PSI 1225
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot Fed. 209A Rem. PT28 14.4 12,300 PSI 1225
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot Fed. 209A WAA28 14 11,900 PSI 1225
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot Rem. 209P PC28 14 12,300 PSI 1225
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot Rem. 209P Rem. PT28 14.2 11,300 PSI 1225
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot Rem. 209P Rem. PT28 14.6 12,200 PSI 1250
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot Rem. 209P WAA28 14.2 11,900 PSI 1225
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot Win. 209 PC28 14.6 11,700 PSI 1225
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot Win. 209 PC28 15 12,300 PSI 1250
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot Win. 209 Rem. PT28 14.4 11,300 PSI 1225
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot Win. 209 Rem. PT28 15 12,000 PSI 1250
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot Win. 209 Rem. PT28 15.5 12,300 PSI 1275
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot Win. 209 WAA28 14.3 11,300 PSI 1225
Lead Shot 28 3/4 oz. Longshot Win. 209 WAA28 15.1 12,100 PSI 1250

 

[scrat]

check out the following to get more info on smokeless loads http://data.hodgdon.com/shotshell_load.asp

 

[Sylvan-Forge]

Hi plumberroy,

How are you stacking your #4 buck pellets?
Would love to see your .490 ball load!

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[Eric F]

I have a 28 gauge load with 1 .490 round ball Are you interested?

I would be more interested in a conical heavy bullet and a riffled barrel!!!

 

[plumberroy]

Sylvan-forge pm sent
Eric .54 muzzle loader fast twist I have looked for foster slugs and can not find any
Roy

 

[Sylvan-Forge]

Got your PM, plumberroy, thanks!

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[Sylvan-Forge]

Here's the rest of the pic set.

Wad-column, trimmed the shell, decapped with a 5/32 punch and a 11/16 socket:

Primed with a 3/8 extension on a flat surface:

Measured shell charge:

Seated the wad-column over the powder charge with a 11/16 socket and the butt-end of a 5/16 punch to 40 lbs. thrice on a bathroom scale:

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[Sylvan-Forge]

Loading the measured shot:

Over-shot card inserted (cardboard) and ready for elmers glue:

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[scrat]

Perfect perfect perfect. Let me ask you. How easy is this to do.
Until you try it you have no idea how easy it is. by the way i used my camera in my phone you obvioulsy have a way better camera
But still happy

 

[Sylvan-Forge]

Thanks, scrat!
It was easy, indeed. I just took the factory shell apart and put it back together again, per your thread.
scrat, those are pretty darn good pics for a phone camera!


Anyone have any thoughts on the importance of seating the wad column/over-powder wad(s)? What I mean is that it seemed quite easy to slide those factory loaded wad columns out, once the the folded crimp was cut off. Am I correct in assuming that pressing the wad-column in is just to push it past any flaws in the hull or whatever, .. ultimately to clear the way for a consistent OAL/crimp?


By the way, I've got a couple shotshell loading manuals ordered up and on the way

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[Sylvan-Forge]

Well, I got my manuals yesterday and though they are educational, they didn't have a single load using Vihtavuori pistol powder, which is what I have a metric ton of.


Anyhow, to briefly summarize. Or my little book report:

They (book people) are quite insistent on keeping with the exact components for any given load recipe, and rightfully so, what with the myriad of differences between various manufacturers. Makes metallic reloading seem trully governed.

20lbs to 40lbs seat pressure seems the norm with a max of 100lbs for very special circumstances. Much to say about overseating and screwing up the wad column's obturating lip, incurring gas blow-by .. makes sense.

I think I'll ere on the side of too little seat and possibly suffer in the performance department rather than smashing things too much and risking overpressure.

A good crimp is a good thing. Be it folded, rolled or glued. No crimp and run risk of leaving the wad+ in the barrel. Firing another shot = ER, liability or mortuary fees incurred.

[Since I'm on the safety tip and I failed to mention it above, I wore my safety glasses and thick leather gloves when decapping the live primer.]

They also spoke of steel shot needing to be fully cupped so as not to be beating up the bore. And some other hard shot, though I forget what.

More on not mixing around components not spec'd.

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That's 'bout all I can recall ATM.

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