A spare reload if needed

Given that CCW handguns aren’t exactly optimized for capacity, magazines are the most common point of failure for a pistol, and if you ever needed to defend yourself it might be prudent to have rounds in the magazine while waiting for first responders to arrive, I think carrying a spare is a reasonable precaution. Also, when carrying in a hip holster or shoulder holster, a magazine pouch on the opposite side can help balance the weight of the gun.
 
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G42 has been getting the most carry time lately---7 in the gun a reload is almost a must and that only gets me 6 more rounds- about the only times I don't carry a reload is going to the dumpster or laundry room or the occasional drive thru for McDonalds breakfast on my day off.
 
I've been carrying one handgun or another for about 15 years. I've almost always carried a reload. Sometimes 2, sometimes only 1. For quite a while I carried a combo pouch with a mag and a surefire. I also had an extra snap on pouch for 2 mags that I would carry in addition sometimes.

I currently carry a Single Action, and I still carry a reload.
 
Seems like there are lots of people preparing for a "gunfight". If you're not military or LE or a professional criminal, you're preparing for something extraordinarily unlikely.

There were 235 violent crimes in my small town last year (a high crime rate compared to most small towns). Zero of them were "gunfights".

If someone is on you and your pistol malfunctions, you won't have time for a reload. You'll be busy getting beaten or stabbed.
 
Seems like there are lots of people preparing for a "gunfight". If you're not military or LE or a professional criminal, you're preparing for something extraordinarily unlikely.

There were 235 violent crimes in my small town last year (a high crime rate compared to most small towns). Zero of them were "gunfights".

If someone is on you and your pistol malfunctions, you won't have time for a reload. You'll be busy getting beaten or stabbed.
why would you care what they're carrying?
 
Seems like there are lots of people preparing for a "gunfight". If you're not military or LE or a professional criminal, you're preparing for something extraordinarily unlikely.

There were 235 violent crimes in my small town last year (a high crime rate compared to most small towns). Zero of them were "gunfights".

If someone is on you and your pistol malfunctions, you won't have time for a reload. You'll be busy getting beaten or stabbed.
Well said, pretty hard to reload when someone is swinging a baseball bat at you or has plans for a little "slicing and dicing".
 
Seems like there are lots of people preparing for a "gunfight". If you're not military or LE or a professional criminal, you're preparing for something extraordinarily unlikely.

There were 235 violent crimes in my small town last year (a high crime rate compared to most small towns). Zero of them were "gunfights".

If someone is on you and your pistol malfunctions, you won't have time for a reload. You'll be busy getting beaten or stabbed.

It seems that many dont understand what "being prepared" is. And just "having" a gun, isn't. Its a first small step, but there's a hell of a lot more to it.

And you don't just prepare for what you expect you will get, or are constantly told to expect, you try to prepare for all those things you hope you never get. You want to figure as many things as you can out in practice, and not have your first time dealing with it be for real.

I would think too, the more you do that, you will have a different idea as to what you choose to use and carry and why, as you progress through things and learn.

Being prepared actually does mean something, and requires a good bit of work on your part. And there is no end to it. Theres always something new to learn.
 
It seems that many dont understand what "being prepared" is. And just "having" a gun, isn't. Its a first small step, but there's a hell of a lot more to it.

And you don't just prepare for what you expect you will get, or are constantly told to expect, you try to prepare for all those things you hope you never get. You want to figure as many things as you can out in practice, and not have your first time dealing with it be for real.

I would think too, the more you do that, you will have a different idea as to what you choose to use and carry and why, as you progress through things and learn.

Being prepared actually does mean something, and requires a good bit of work on your part. And there is no end to it. Theres always something new to learn.

When I go shooting at the range, I often see people training to be prepared for gunfights. They move around and change mags and stuff. It looks fun.

I don't spend time and energy training for things that are extraordinarily unlikely. I live in the worst neighborhood of a poor town that has a lot of violent crime. I have to be ready for the things that actually happen, where I live, on an average of .64 violent crimes per day. That's a cold, hard fact.

Carrying a big pistol and a lot of bullets doesn't make you safer.

Training that actually make me safer:

Taking my very large dog with me wherever I can, and learning to interpret his body language better. He notices a lot, and he relays the information if I'm paying attention and have learned to understand him.

Practice deploying a small handgun, knife, or pepper spray quickly. My hands should know where they are and it should be muscle memory. If something happens, it will be extremely sudden and violent.

Learn to never ever ever wear expensive watches, jackets, etc or carry anything valuable while out and about. It should become automatic. If you're a broke-looking dude, you're not a target for much.

Pay attention. When I went to visit a friend in an expensive neighborhood lately, I was amused by how inattentive the people were. There were a lot of them walking around outside. Their hair and teeth were nice. Their clothes were clean. They weren't paying attention to anything. Just walking around daydreaming or looking at their phones. They would get mugged within the first few days where I live. People here are always looking around them.
 
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Which also appear to be extraordinarily unlikely.

The statistics on the number of people who have reloaded or needed to reload during a gun fight may be skewed because so few people carry an extra mag. You can't use the extra mag if you don't carry one, so even if an incident occurred where a person needed one but didn't have it, it would be reported as no reload occurring.
 
Seems like there are lots of people preparing for a "gunfight". If you're not military or LE or a professional criminal, you're preparing for something extraordinarily unlikely.

There were 235 violent crimes in my small town last year (a high crime rate compared to most small towns). Zero of them were "gunfights".

If someone is on you and your pistol malfunctions, you won't have time for a reload. You'll be busy getting beaten or stabbed.
How many gun fights have you actually been in? How many times have you actually had to use your gun to defend yourself? How many encounters with a tweaker have you had

I've said this before a bunch of times.

Other than having to clear buildings I don't think I pulled my gun out at work more than 2 or 3 times and one of those was a cow that was trying to sneak up on me.

The few times that I had to pull out my gun it wasn't even so much the gun as the fact that I was demonstrably willing to fight.

Maybe I'm the lucky guy but I have yet to run into a tweaker who was willing to stand and fight when they realized that I was going to be shooting back. Except that damn cow.

All of which would seem to argue your point. I never shot the first bullet let alone had to reduce a malfunction or reload.

But I still don't see how I'm hurting anybody by carrying a Reload.
 
The most surprising thing to me about this discussion is how upset people seem to get when others don't agree with their position.

I would be willing to bet that I carry more on me when I leave home than most people here.

I have a small IFAK. A flashlight, I would almost leave everything else at home before I would leave my flashlight at home. A pocket knife, not a "tactical" knife, most frequently a Buck Slim Select a Gerber Multi-tool. OC spray. My phone. A handkerchief. A Glock 19 and 2 reloads.

I've been carrying it a long time and most of the time I don't notice it. Of all those things what I've most frequently used was the flashlight and the multi-tool.

So I said all that to set this up, I really don't care what anybody else carries with them. I really don't care how many people have read this far in this post and think I'm an idiot or a Mall Ninja for carrying all that.

Shortly after I retired I realized that this is my life and I don't have to justify my decisions to anybody except God and my wife.

As long as you're not harming somebody else, do what works for you
 
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How many gun fights have you actually been in? How many times have you actually had to use your gun to defend yourself? How many encounters with a tweaker have you had

I've said this before a bunch of times.

Other than having to clear buildings I don't think I pulled my gun out at work more than 2 or 3 times and one of those was a cow that was trying to sneak up on me.

The few times that I had to pull out my gun it wasn't even so much the gun as the fact that I was demonstrably willing to fight.

Maybe I'm the lucky guy but I have yet to run into a tweaker who was willing to stand and fight when they realized that I was going to be shooting back. Except that damn cow.

All of which would seem to argue your point. I never shot the first bullet let alone had to reduce a malfunction or reload.

But I still don't see how I'm hurting anybody by carrying a Reload.

If you are military or LE, you carry what's necessary to perform your duties.

Civilians carry whatever they please.

Where I live, the homeless addicts and young tough guys just out of jail don't have firearms. If they did, they would trade them for meth or fentanyl. I've lived here about nine months and have yet to hear gunfire. They will mug you for your coat, though, or steal everything that isn't nailed down. It doesn't matter if I carry a reload. I wouldn't have time to use it. My knife and pepper spray are my reloads.

One of my friends lives in a gated community. He does training and carries a 365XL with an optic and spare mags. There is no street crime where he lives or works, so IMHO it doesn't matter what he carries.

It would be dangerous for me to walk around carrying his rig. It's kind of slow to draw most of the time, but my face would definitely be crushed by a brick if I had to draw it from under a coat. More importantly, it would look like there was a valuable pistol stuck awkwardly in the front of my pants.

My friend has the freedom to carry whatever he wants, because he's so unlikely to need it. I have to be a lot more careful.
 
If you are military or LE, you carry what's necessary to perform your duties.

Civilians carry whatever they please.

Where I live, the homeless addicts and young tough guys just out of jail don't have firearms. If they did, they would trade them for meth or fentanyl. I've lived here about nine months and have yet to hear gunfire. They will mug you for your coat, though, or steal everything that isn't nailed down. It doesn't matter if I carry a reload. I wouldn't have time to use it. My knife and pepper spray are my reloads.

One of my friends lives in a gated community. He does training and carries a 365XL with an optic and spare mags. There is no street crime where he lives or works, so IMHO it doesn't matter what he carries.

It would be dangerous for me to walk around carrying his rig. It's kind of slow to draw most of the time, but my face would definitely be crushed by a brick if I had to draw it from under a coat. More importantly, it would look like there was a valuable pistol stuck awkwardly in the front of my pants.

My friend has the freedom to carry whatever he wants, because he's so unlikely to need it. I have to be a lot more careful.
As a wise man once said
As long as you're not harming somebody else, do what works for you
 
Learn to never ever ever wear expensive watches, jackets, etc or carry anything valuable while out and about. It
While I freely admit that the consumerism and materialism of our culture is out of control, for many, expensive jewelry, clothing, accoutrements are a part of their lives...

So one should have to forego ever wearing or using these possessions out of fear of encountering a criminal that would relieve them of their (presumably) hard-earned belongings?

Does this also mean I should not drive my wife's stupidly expensive European soccer-mom SUV for fear of getting carjacked?
 
I am sure this topic has been covered many times before. I've read so many reports by police agencies , by the FBI and so called armchair experts. That the usual gun fight is settled within five feet and the average is three shots fired in 6 seconds.
Am I being over the top paranoid by carrying an extra reload on me? I carry a 9mm with a 15rd mag, and I carry a spare of the same round count. I don't go to any bad areas, am very aware of my surroundings. I just want the extra for that just in case 100,000 to 1 time if needed. Does anyone else plan this way when carrying ccw?
If you feel comfort carrying the extra magazine, it's your call.

There's been some variations repeated in the 'average gun fight statistics' numbers bandied about over the years. We used to tell people that most shootings occurred in conditions of diminished light, within 0-6 feet, and were over within 2-3 seconds.

Spare ammunition is ... spare ammunition. I used to carry 2 speedloaders in the older service revolver days, although there were times when I worked beats a little further out (for hope of getting cover) when I carried an extra 1-2 speedloaders or speedstrips. Nowadays, I carry an extra 5rd speedstrip when I carry one of my 5-shot snubs. It doesn't take up much room alongside my pocket-holster, so why not? There have been times, when I thought the risk assessment might be higher, when I'd drop 2-3 speedloaders/strips in a jacket pocket.

When I carry one of my 9, .40 or .45 pistols, I typically carry a spare magazine (regardless of capacity, or whether they're single or double stack). Old habit. In my plainclothes days I carried either 1 or 2 spare magazines (policy was at least a single spare was to be carried in plainclothes assignments).

Now, practically speaking, having a spare magazine at hand is useful for resolving magazine-related problems. As a longtime trainer of LE, and several years working with CCW licensees, I've see all manner of shooter-induced problems occur during training and quals that required a fresh magazine. People can fumble under even moderate 'range stress', and do things they never thought they'd do, like depress a magazine catch and dump a full magazine when they're shooting, or just manipulating their pistol. Baffles the hell out of most people when they do something they didn't think they were doing.

Then, there's actual magazine problems.

Like not realizing one-too-many bumps against a veh door frame, or a seat belt buckle, caused a buttplate to become damaged and dump loose rounds out the bottom of the magazine. Or, have the magazine catch button depressed enough to dislodge the magazine, causing it to drop just enough to be out-of-position for feeding, or fall entirely free of the grip frame. Coming back to your veh and seeing your primary magazine sitting on the seat, or on the floor next to the seat, or even on the ground outside the veh door, can be ... disconcerting, to say the least.

Then, there's the chance for a kinked magazine spring, or tipped follower, to cause a feeding problem when the magazine load doesn't rise in the magazine after a shot or two. In older days one of the gun companies used to caution armorers that the normal bump/contact between rounds in a double stack magazine, resulting from normal walking, might over time cause some mild deformation of brass cases (think flat spots), which might interfere with normal movement of the rounds during live fire. Never saw that myself, but gun companies don't come up with stuff like that on their own, meaning they've usually heard it from agency users at one time or another, and passed it on during armorer classes.

Sometimes a particularly nasty type of feeding stoppage (stubborn double feed) might require dumping/ripping the primary mag to resolve it, which means a fresh mag would be needed.

Seeing someone unintentionally ... dump their primary mag during some frenetic shooting drill ... and see the mag find that dark shadow at their feet ... or the deep puddle of rain water ... or bounce a step or two away (or into the bush next to where they're standing in the real world) ... is usually best resolved by having another magazine available.

So, situational context and risk mitigation might make having a spare pistol magazine handy, but not only for the 'extra' ammunition after running a primary magazine dry.

Suit yourself.

If you ever actually need it, at some point it'll likely become part of the chain of evidence gathered during the shooting investigation, anyway. ;)
 
Ironically, my well-trained friend just texted me. He's on a road trip to visit his mom. He's driving his nice Mustang with a fin on the back, nice clothes, his new Citizens watch. He texted me while he was getting gas. He's a great guy. I love him. That big pistol of his and the two magazines loaded with hollowpoints weren't doing him much good while he was standing there looking at his phone and typing. Since it's the middle of the day and probably at a busy gas station at a highway intersection, he's fine. Some alert guy with a brick didn't get his watch and car.

Everybody makes their own choices.

I'm willing to appear to be a working-class individual (some sort of manual laborer) in order to have less chance of being a crime victim. Some people aren't willing to do that. That's cool. Their choice. Doesn't matter to me.

Some people are willing to pay for military/LE training and carry lots of bullets in order to have less chance of being a crime victim. I'm not willing to do that, because I don't believe it's effective. That's cool. Doesn't matter to anyone else.
 
The most surprising thing to me about this discussion is how upset people seem to get when others don't agree with their position.

I would be willing to bet that I carry more on me when I leave home than most people here.

I have a small IFAK. A flashlight, I would almost leave everything else at home before I would leave my flashlight at home. A pocket knife, not a "tactical" knife, most frequently a Buck Slim Select a Gerber Multi-tool. OC spray. My phone. A handkerchief. A Glock 19 and 2 reloads.

I've been carrying it a long time and most of the time I don't notice it. Of all those things what I've most frequently used was the flashlight and the multi-tool.

So I said all that to set this up, I really don't care what anybody else carries with them. I really don't care how many people have read this far in this post and think I'm an idiot or a Mall Ninja for carrying all that.

Shortly after I retired I realized that this is my life and I don't have to justify my decisions to anybody except God and my wife.

As long as you're not harming somebody else, do what works for you
Very nice loadout, very similar to mine, IFK, Benchmade Resistor knife, Leatherman in the IFK, phone, handkerchief, pistol, reloads. The only thing I don't have is the OC. I have often commented how people have these super expensive high speed/low drag IFKs...on their plate carrier or battle belt. But I don't see people wearing these things at the grocery store or mall...if the balloon goes up, they won't have it. IIRC, that last mall shooting had someone on site who had an IFK and one or two CAT TQs with them, saved lives, again, IIRC.
 
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Very nice loadout, very similar to mine, IFK, Benchmade Resistor knife, Leatherman in the IFK, phone, handkerchief, pistol, reloads. The only thing I don't have is the OC. I have often commented how people have these super expensive high speed/low drag IFKs...on their plate carrier or battle belt. But I don't see people wearing these things at the grocery store or mall...if the balloon goes up, they won't have it. IIRC, that last mall shooting had someone on site who had an IFK and one or two CAT TQs with them, saved lives, again, IIRC.
This is what I carry. I have a lot of Medical training and experience and outside of a clinical environment I have had cause to use it exactly zero times except one time I put a SAM splint on a guy outside an AA meeting in Tacoma.

I'm not going to go out and pay for an Aid Bag I'm highly unlikely to ever need.

 
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Doesn't matter to anyone else.
It seems to matter a great deal to you.
I'm willing to appear to be a working-class individual (some sort of manual laborer) in order to have less chance of being a crime victim.

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I don't have a single photograph of me in which I'm not wearing an army uniform, a security uniform or pajamas but this is what I wore today and it's pretty representative of what I wear on a daily basis when I'm not in gym clothes or pajamas.

As I've said before if you throw a rock in Colorado Springs you're going to hit a middle-aged man who's dressed about like that


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Some people are willing to pay for military/LE training and carry lots of bullets in order to have less chance of being a crime victim.

Again I've said this before but the last 4 or 5 months that I was working I was calling the police at least a couple of times a week for petty crimes and being told that they flat out weren't coming or being told to call was extremely low priority and they'd get to it when they could and I could expect to wait hours.


This happened at the beginning of this week. I'll repeat what I said when it happened you are on your own the police are not coming to save you and it's time to start thinking like you are on your own and the police are not coming to save you
 
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In my mind, the spare mag is good insurance against mag failure.
If you get bang, click, or jam with an auto, that is mag related, what can you do if you don't have a spare?
Not to mention the myriad scenarios that we could be presented with.

In truth, my main reason for carry is because I work anywhere from 1 to 4 to 6 hours from home on any given day. If the worst happens while I'm that far away, it would be a very long walk home.
I feel like it's a good idea to bring along some useful protection and plenty of ammo to feed it. There is a gun always on my hip, another one rides along, spare mags, and a couple of boxes of ammo too.

All that to say, no I don't think there's anything wrong with you carrying an extra mag.
You are exactly right.. extra mag in case of Mag failure…
#1 reason for extra mag..
 
"you are on your own the police are not coming to save you and it's time to start thinking like you are on your own and the police are not coming to save you"


Of course the fine officers will save you if they can, but 99.9% of the time all they can do is ask you questions while the EMT's load you up on a gurney.

I'm not understanding what this has to do with carrying a spare magazine.

I don't bother carrying a reload because I'm pretty sure that I will be getting beaten or stabbed about half a second after my handgun fails.

A reload is a tool that would be useful only under an extremely unusual set of circumstances. It's not related to LE response time in any way that I'm aware of.
 
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