We may not have a seat at the table but we can influence the discussion and our elected representatives.
I do try very hard to do that, so that when MY representatives take their seats at the table they fight tooth and nail and claw and sinew AGAINST any such plan. You are certainly within your rights to believe that will fail. I do not, and I do not see the tide of political history as having swung (at least in the decade or two of recent history) toward such an outcome. When I am afraid we'll LOSE, maybe I'll try to scrape back something from the wreckage. I'm NOT afraid we'll lose now.
And I think at this point the NRA (at least) has learned a pretty hard lesson about the harvest they reap in lost credibility if they even appear to be helping write deals with the devil. (Ahem ... "FOPA"?)
As you can tell from my signature line, I am a supporter of the NRA. That does not mean I am a mindless drone agreeing with and obeying the instructions of the NRA leadership. The NRA may be the biggest player in the game but they are not the only player.
What does that mean? That you are one of the members who help hold the NRA's feet to the fire and keep them on the straight-and-narrow, or one who wishes they'd be more "reasonable" and come up with compromises instead of fighting? I certainly don't agree with everything the NRA says or does. I have a long memory and still, in a distant way, will never forget the weakness of past compromises.
Are you telling me just because the NRA got it fingers burned, causing defections and new organizations to be created, it should not be creating the same type of contingency plans as (some of which are for the most improbably events) the military of all nations do? We are in a fight, even the most unexpected should be planned for.
It most definitely should NOT be promoting/discussing/debating them in public, at least.
If you're facing the enemy across the trenches, do you give Churchill's Speech and rally the public, or do you get on the radio and ask the public to help you brainstorm some great ideas for how to negotiate some peaceful compromises? Having a plan is fine, but usually the guy who starts visibly scrambling for compromise positions is
in trouble.
O.K. that is the second reference to the Devil/Satan to discredit both the opposition and any friends to the RKBA that think the discussion valid. I am trying to avoid that type of name calling in this thread.
If "deals with the devil" is too much of a charged name for this, I don't know what to tell you. This is a BAD thing, and you're asking the members to help you think up ways to do this BAD thing, so it is marginally less BAD. A "deal with the devil" implication is about the cleanest brush you could realistically hope to be painted with.
I don’t see or feel any self-loathing. “Emo” ? Isn’t that some type of sex fetish? Don’t think any definition of “emo” applies.
Really? Your google button broke? If you don't catch the parallels between this line of pondering and the depressed, quasi-suicidal, over dramatic, faux-nihilism of the Emo subculture, then disregard the comment.
Neither do I think we will ever be given a seat at the table unless we have a pre-planned convincing explanation for why we should be given one.
"Hey! We gotta plan, TOO!" isn't a great convincing explanation of why we should have a hand in deciding things. WE ARE THE PEOPLE is why we should have a hand in deciding these issues, and WE THE PEOPLE -- as many of us as we can get to stand up and fight -- can/should/do say NO.
Your argument is either one of two things:
1) You really are trying to get RKBA folks to agree to UBC because you want UBC, but being coy about it or
2) You are seeking to ameliorate the bad effects of bad law passed against our will, by trying to buy the favor of our enemies by pretending to (or actually) going along with them, hoping that after you've won their favor and are allowed to contribute, you can convince them to hold back a bit from their full desires.
Both are probably foolishly optimistic.
One last thing. I don’t think your post is any thing like the suggestions and comments requested.
Ok, so? I understand that you made some stipulations and put limits on this conversation. This is a public forum. No one is bound by your stipulations on conversation.