Where it starts in in the comments. Get a 9mm, get a .38 SPL, get a .45 ACP, get a .45 Colt.
What firearms "terminology" makes you grit your teeth?
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Where it starts in in the comments. Get a 9mm, get a .38 SPL, get a .45 ACP, get a .45 Colt.
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Ah, so the replies may not properly correspond to the original question. Or if they actually do know what the OP meant, it shows the original question was confused.
Reloadron
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Webster? We don't need no stinking Webster stuff! We are gun people, we need SAAMI:
MAGAZINE
1. A building for the storage of either ammunition or its components. 2. A receptacle for a firearm that holds a plurality of cartridges or shells under spring pressure preparatory for feeding into the chamber. Magazines take many forms, such as box, drum, rotary, tubular, etc. and may be fixed or removable.
Unfortunately SAAMI has no definition for "clip".
Seriously, the magazine / clip terminology has always been a popular topic of discussion. I began shooting in 1958 and reloading in 1972. Things like terminology were debated then and nothing has changed in 60 years.
Oh wait, every now and then and again we do get a new controversial term. Among the newer things, while having been around for awhile, is in the family of gauges. Gauges have become, over the years, a reloaders new best friend. The marketing of gauges gets interesting. Now before looking at anything and considering again we are gun people let's look at a few SAAMI Glossary Definitions:
HEADSPACE
The distance from the face of the closed breech of a firearm to the surface in the chamber on which the cartridge case seats. 1. BELT: A type of chamber design in which the cartridge seats in the chamber on an enlarged band ahead of the extractor groove of the cartridge body. 2. MOUTH: A type of chamber design in which the cartridge seats in the chamber on the mouth of the cartridge case. 3. RIMLESS: A type of chamber design in which the cartridge seats in the chamber on the shoulder of the cartridge case. 4. RIMMED: A type of chamber design in which the cartridge seats in the chamber on the rim or flange of the cartridge case.
HEADSPACE GAUGE
A device used in a firearm to determine the distance between the breech face and the chamber surface on which the cartridge seats. Also called Breeching Plug.
Also Known As: Breeching Plug
Now, with that in mind, if I Google "Cartridge Headspace Gauge" or even just "Headspace Gauge" I get all sorts of hits leading me to Hornady Lock-N-Load Headspace Gauge 5 Bushing Set with Comparator. According to definition a cartridge does not have a headspace dimension so how can we measure a dimension which does not exist? Chambers, not cartridges have headspace dimensions. There are gauges to measure chamber headspace. We can even look at both cartridge and chamber drawings and while chamber drawings reflect a headspace dimension the cartridge drawings do not call out a headspace dimension.
It doesn't really matter and eventually, as someone mentions, becomes a matter of semantics.
While I do favor correct terminology and good (not great) grammar I figure as long as what is needed to be known is understood it really doesn't matter. Guy walks into a shop and wants a 20 round clip for his AR I hand him a 20 round magazine and life goes on. I likely have more pressing things to worry about. I have some really great neighbors, have known them for decades and my wife has known them their entire lives. They always use the term "We seen" which bugs me to no end. "We seen some deer in the yard". No, you saw not seen. While it bugs me it matters not as I can conclude there were some deer in their yard.
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So a misspelling or misuse of a word will get some of you upset?
Doesn't take much then.
I hear/read the "mag vs clip" and "chamberings vs caliber" thing quite often. Even "rifle shell's or bullets" but I know what they are meaning. If I don't I'll ask but I can't recall any term getting me upset. Maybe "fully semi-auto" a little but not for the actual term but the negative view the person saying it is trying to push.
I also don't have any illogical hatred of certain chamberings or cartridges so I'm starting to think something is wrong with me. ☺
Doesn't take much then.
I hear/read the "mag vs clip" and "chamberings vs caliber" thing quite often. Even "rifle shell's or bullets" but I know what they are meaning. If I don't I'll ask but I can't recall any term getting me upset. Maybe "fully semi-auto" a little but not for the actual term but the negative view the person saying it is trying to push.
I also don't have any illogical hatred of certain chamberings or cartridges so I'm starting to think something is wrong with me. ☺
Reloadron
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Well if something is wrong with you we share the same something. Long as I can understand what someone is communicating I'm good with it.
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Normal use.
Here's a thread...
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/how-many-calibers.51221/
The OP asks how many calibers folks reload and then goes on to mention of the 21 calibers he reloads three of them are different 22 caliber cartridges (222 Rem., 22 Hornet, 218 Bee).
Some of responders also list multiple cartridges of the same caliber, some of the responders do make the distinction.
There are other threads.
GBExpat
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Do not forget to properly glottalise those phrases.
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Sure, why not?
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Well there you go. Thanks.
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Perhaps you can substitute the term "keyboard commando".
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Kit. Hmmm ... Kit. To mix a couple of threads, I don't name my firearms, but if I did, I might have to name one "Kit."
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Just pure craziness I guess. I have this odd outlook of doing my best to be happy as often as I possibly can during this vapor in the wind we call life. I get upset or mad plenty without inventing reasons to be bothered. It's up to ones own self what bothers them, I'm speaking for me personally.
Being mad that some guy typed out that his gun holds 8 bullets in the clip just doesn't seem fruitful to me. I can see saying "ok, well mine only holds 6 rounds in the magazine but I still like it." Maybe he will pick up on it but I, like most other people, come to these forums to have a conversation, not to be corrected so I do others that same favor in return. If a person is seeking education, that's a different proposition. This is about words or a phrases that "bothers us", I personally don't get bothered by it but can't speak for others.
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To get back to the OP’s question, more votes for:
“Head” instead of bullet. As in: “what weight heads do you like for deer?” See it surprisingly often, makes me grit my teeth every time.
Could also be mistaken for case head or....?
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“Head” instead of bullet. As in: “what weight heads do you like for deer?” See it surprisingly often, makes me grit my teeth every time.
Could also be mistaken for case head or....?
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Old Dog
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But if you're operating your firearm, rather than running it, does that make you an operator?
As I said previously, this term doesn't bother me, because in my circles, when it's used typically it denotes some skill and training, not just "shooting" a gun, which anyone can do.
Still don't get why so many are bothered by the term "kit," either (or "kitting up") ... unless of course, it's used by the guy with the operator beard at the range who can't even run a Glock with any skill.
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Ok ok... I don't want to upset anybody... I hear this both ways and constantly wonder which is actually, really, historically correct. Heck I've even looked it up but... still not positive. Lol.... guess I should've paid more attention in English class!
So... which is it? Car- bean or car- bine? Or something else all together?
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Car-bin-ay. That oughta irritate someone on the firing line for sure.
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"Boolits."
Can't abide it.
Can't abide it.
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Ugh... never heard that before but that would annoy me for sure.
Referring to cartridges or rounds or shells as "bullets" kind of bugs me.
But I'm weird. I don't like "shotty" but I embrace "scattergun" and "wheelgun."
I usually call semi autos pistols but I don't get upset when people refer to all handguns as pistols.
Weapon system gets my back up. Operator? Please.
Not terminology but anyone who shoves their handgun into their holster. I cringe every time. Especially when it's a Glock or a Beretta 92 with the hammer back. And then they argue with you about it and show you their trigger finger and say "this is MY safety!"
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Any gun-related terms or phrases used by Humphrey Bogart, Audie Murphy, John Wayne, Chuck Norris or Clint Eastwood in any movie, ever, should be added to our lexicon and fully acceptable to all.
Even if Chuck Norris called it a "clip," he was still right.
Even if Chuck Norris called it a "clip," he was still right.
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Calling every scoped rifle a “sniper rifle”.
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Same.
The only thing I find annoying about the "clip/mag" thing, is the people who are extreme sticklers about the "clip/mag" thing.
I've never had my blood pressure rise over an improperly used term. Everyone I know pronounces Leupold "lee a pold". So what.
I've said this before but my Grandpa that's still living is a WW2 vet and he says clip. I'd never "correct" him. Life's short. And I respect the sob.
Flinter for flintlock rubs me the wrong way. Not improper or anythIng. Doesn't grind my gears. Just hurts my ears for some reason
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I dunno. That would make “shootist” okay after the John Wayne movie of that name. That is just not right.
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