Will a 6.5 Creedmore change your life

I just don't get the hatred of new and popular. Should we all only buy 1978 F250's because they will do anything a new truck will? Have you happen to notice how many rifles are available in 6.5x55 vs 6.5 Creedmoor? Have you happened to look at brass and ammo availability? Whether you like the cartridge or not its here and available. Why should people make things more difficult on themselves? Lets say the 260 and 6.5x55 had never existed, what negative do you have to say about the 6.5 creedmoor in that context?

someguy2800 said:

I just don't get the hatred of new and popular. Should we all only buy 1978 F250's because they will do anything a new truck will? Have you happen to notice how many rifles are available in 6.5x55 vs 6.5 Creedmoor? Have you happened to look at brass and ammo availability? Whether you like the cartridge or not its here and available. Why should people make things more difficult on themselves? Lets say the 260 and 6.5x55 had never existed, what negative do you have to say about the 6.5 creedmoor in that context?

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It's disrespectful - and reeks of adolescent "The world is new - because I don't know anything else."

We got here - by standing on the shoulders greatness.


If, the 6.5 Creedmagic had been promoted as "almost" a 6.5x55 Swede... that fits into a "short action"?

...there would be nothing for you to be figuring out.

Same goes for the .270 Win and the "almost/short action" 7mm-08 inpudence.


My $0.02 - valued at slightly below the acquisition cost.




GR

It’s a turnkey platform, something the Swede never was and never will be.

It’s incredibly clear at this point that some people have serious issues that have been projected onto others. Attempting to legitimize disdain whilst measuring the gnat’s arse of difference between what you approve of and what you feel others should not approve of really has tied up far too much time of late.

If all those trucks in all those colors from all those years past aren’t coupled to the right transmission with a final gear ratio that makes use of power, torque, and fuel efficiency, then we need not feel an affinity toward what “almost used to work as efficiently”. It’s an inanimate object; isn’t standing on anyone’s back or raining on your parade, you are.

Stop pointing fingers. Quit with the straw man “Creedmagic lovers”. Clear your heads. Go enjoy a day at the range.

someguy2800 said:

I just don't get the hatred of new and popular. Should we all only buy 1978 F250's because they will do anything a new truck will? Have you happen to notice how many rifles are available in 6.5x55 vs 6.5 Creedmoor? Have you happened to look at brass and ammo availability? Whether you like the cartridge or not its here and available. Why should people make things more difficult on themselves? Lets say the 260 and 6.5x55 had never existed, what negative do you have to say about the 6.5 creedmoor in that context?

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I don’t hate the 6.5 Creedmoor. Come to think of it, I don’t hate any particular round. As a matter of fact, I was on the verge of buying a Creedmoor the other day until I had to buy a new lawnmower just for the reasons you mentioned. However, I really wanted a 6.5x55. I’m one of those people who prefers time tested over new and shiny; but that’s a personal choice. I stand behind my original view that the rounds are virtually identical, and the only reason for a person to “hate” either one of them would to be to rationalize their decision to purchase the other one. Other than having a defective rifle (or fitting the cartridge in an AR platform), I can’t think of a thing that a competent shooter could do with one that they couldn’t do with the other.

As to what people would say negatively about the Creedmoor if the 6.5x55 had never existed... I doubt that the 6.5 Creedmoor would exist (at least in its current form) if the the 6.5x55 had never existed.

Old Stumpy said:

Hard core fans seem to dance all over the place trying to justify their beliefs that the Creedmoor is the greatest cartridge ever created.

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I think this is largely a fabrication in your imagination.

Most guys shooting the 6.5 creed REALLY DON’T CARE that another older cartridge had similar ballistics. There’s half a dozen 6.5mm cartridges on the market all within a couple hundred feet per second of each other. The 6.5x47L, 260 Rem, 6.5 Swede, 6.5 creed... there’s a dozen more which fall within another couple hundred feet per second faster or slower. There are a few dozen cartridges which shoot similar bullet weights at similar velocities to that group, in different calibers...

ONE out of about a hundred cartridges will be the most popular of the group. Just the way life works. If guys are going to pick ONE to buy for their ONE rifle, there are a dozen or more which make far more sense in 2019 than a 6.5x55 Swede, and the 6.5 creed is high on that list.

The best part, for me, in this kind of discussion, is I’m not even a fan of the 6.5 creed, and subjectively a bigger fan of the Swede than the Creed. But neither of them are high on my list for my personal use in 2019.

It's interesting how the Creedmoor fanboys believe that repeating their opinions, over and over, is perfectly valid and acceptable.
And more, their opinions are obviously and irrefutably engraved in stone like the tablets of Moses..

But if you refute those opinions, again and again, then you are a heretic, a false prophet, and even worse a hater.

Such heresy shall not to be permitted

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@Old Stumpy - how do you feel about the 6.5-284? Or 6.5x47L?

Varminterror said:

- how do you feel about the 6.5-284? Or 6.5x47L?

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More importantly, how do you feel about the 10.4X38 Swiss rim fire or the 11.2X72 Schuler?

Never heard of either. I was more interested to understand if you’re against all newer cartridges which replicate the 6.5 Swede, or just like whining about the popularity of the Creedmoor.

Varminterror said:

Never heard of either. I was more interested to understand if you’re against all newer cartridges which replicate the 6.5 Swede, or just like whining about the popularity of the Creedmoor.

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I think we know which one it is.

someguy2800 said:

I just don't get the hatred of new and popular.

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I think it's the hatred of enthusiasm. Some people just can't stand to see other folks be happy. How sad is that.

Dear Winchester,

I am writing to you in disgust at the unveiling of your “new” cartridge, the .270 Winchester.

I have it on good authority that this Emporer’s New Clothes is little more (and by that I mean petite sized) round formulated from the .30-03. How dare you sirs, in adolescent disrespect, introduce some shiny new Wowchester to the world? You stand on the shoulders of giants and carve a sliver of a wimpy round from the .30-03 and suddenly everything is new...

I feel you ought to promote this “new” wunderkind as the .30 cal slim for ladies for truth in advertising’s sake and please please please do us the courtesy of creating an XXL action, perhaps Uber Magnum (but without the case length or girth) and give it a 10” bolt stroke for slow manipulation afield. The world does not need shorter actions, it needs longer arms.

Surely your nothing new metallic cartridge, and how many of those do we already bear the weight of, is as earth shattering as a mouse fart in the woods. Little doubt it will have fanboys who tout its real world effectiveness, though ethical sportsman see this elk tickler for what it is; an over-hyped SQUIRREL GUN! My age, anecdotal experience, and sense of self-righteousness speak volumes on the dangers of yet another bespoke cartridge in our age of enlightenment wherein ballistics tout the benefits of one size fits all.

I don’t like it one bit and I like even less the idea of those who would choose such an illegitimate cartridge speaking any sort of praise for it. To circumvent all previous arms is a path born of sheer ignorance and malice. Could truer words be ever penned than my own?

Finally I emplore you, sirs to give up this fools errand lest your marketing department bastardize yet another round, perhaps the already anemic 30-06- itself another abomination born of the great .30-03- and turn it too into some further diluted, abbreviated .30 caliber cartridge. Do not belittle you great name giving in to temptation to produce another .308 size Winchester that does almost as much as one that already exists.


Regards,



Scrooge McCudgeon

Skylerbone said:

Dear Winchester,

I am writing to you in disgust at the unveiling of your “new” cartridge, the .270 Winchester.

I have it on good authority that this Emporer’s New Clothes is little more (and by that I mean petite sized) round formulated from the .30-03. How dare you sirs, in adolescent disrespect, introduce some shiny new Wowchester to the world? You stand on the shoulders of giants and carve a sliver of a wimpy round from the .30-03 and suddenly everything is new...

I feel you ought to promote this “new” wunderkind as the .30 cal slim for ladies for truth in advertising’s sake and please please please do us the courtesy of creating an XXL action, perhaps Uber Magnum (but without the case length or girth) and give it a 10” bolt stroke for slow manipulation afield. The world does not need shorter actions, it needs longer arms.

Surely your nothing new metallic cartridge, and how many of those do we already bear the weight of, is as earth shattering as a mouse fart in the woods. Little doubt it will have fanboys who tout its real world effectiveness, though ethical sportsman see this elk tickler for what it is; an over-hyped SQUIRREL GUN! My age, anecdotal experience, and sense of self-righteousness speak volumes on the dangers of yet another bespoke cartridge in our age of enlightenment wherein ballistics tout the benefits of one size fits all.

I don’t like it one bit and I like even less the idea of those who would choose such an illegitimate cartridge speaking any sort of praise for it. To circumvent all previous arms is a path born of sheer ignorance and malice. Could truer words be ever penned than my own?

Finally I emplore you, sirs to give up this fools errand lest your marketing department bastardize yet another round, perhaps the already anemic 30-06- itself another abomination born of the great .30-03- and turn it too into some further diluted, abbreviated .30 caliber cartridge. Do not belittle you great name giving in to temptation to produce another .308 size Winchester that does almost as much as one that already exists.


Regards,



Scrooge McCudgeon

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....wow

I’ll never understand why so many people can’t spell Creedmoor.

@Skylerbone pretty much sums up how stupid this is about a new cartridge; that’s not even new anymore.

I’m sure glad we aren’t arguing over why we only have three cartridges to choose from.

Maybe some want to return to the early Ford days where one could get any color of Model A as long as it was black.

I may just have to go out and buy a 6.5 Creedmoor sometime, really never had an intention to but when people love to hate something it’s usually for a reason and more often then not that reason is self actualized by the hater.

So far, I only hate two things about my 6.5 CM barrel. First, it isn't optimized for the 8 lbs. of IMR 8208 XBR I already stock for my 7mm-08's (dang it!) and second, Hornady's 140-grain SST's have the cannelure in the wrong place for where I seat the bullets. They look hideous.

Skylerbone said:

Dear Winchester,

I am writing to you in disgust at the unveiling of your “new” cartridge, the .270 Winchester.

I have it on good authority that this Emporer’s New Clothes is little more (and by that I mean petite sized) round formulated from the .30-03. How dare you sirs, in adolescent disrespect, introduce some shiny new Wowchester to the world? You stand on the shoulders of giants and carve a sliver of a wimpy round from the .30-03 and suddenly everything is new...

I feel you ought to promote this “new” wunderkind as the .30 cal slim for ladies for truth in advertising’s sake and please please please do us the courtesy of creating an XXL action, perhaps Uber Magnum (but without the case length or girth) and give it a 10” bolt stroke for slow manipulation afield. The world does not need shorter actions, it needs longer arms.

Surely your nothing new metallic cartridge, and how many of those do we already bear the weight of, is as earth shattering as a mouse fart in the woods. Little doubt it will have fanboys who tout its real world effectiveness, though ethical sportsman see this elk tickler for what it is; an over-hyped SQUIRREL GUN! My age, anecdotal experience, and sense of self-righteousness speak volumes on the dangers of yet another bespoke cartridge in our age of enlightenment wherein ballistics tout the benefits of one size fits all.

I don’t like it one bit and I like even less the idea of those who would choose such an illegitimate cartridge speaking any sort of praise for it. To circumvent all previous arms is a path born of sheer ignorance and malice. Could truer words be ever penned than my own?

Finally I emplore you, sirs to give up this fools errand lest your marketing department bastardize yet another round, perhaps the already anemic 30-06- itself another abomination born of the great .30-03- and turn it too into some further diluted, abbreviated .30 caliber cartridge. Do not belittle you great name giving in to temptation to produce another .308 size Winchester that does almost as much as one that already exists.


Regards,



Scrooge McCudgeon

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Butt-hurt drama aside...

The Mighty .270 W.C.F. WAS touted and promoted as an improved, flatter shooting, quicker killin' .30-06 (which, as every school and country boy alike knows, are both based on the .30-03 cartridge.)

"Almost" + "short action" = - 200 fps.

Math, who know?






GR

Rifleman173 said:

Word has it that SOCOM wants some of its snipers to go to the 6.5 Creedmoor over the next couple of years because they've become impressed with it. Kind of tells us something about the round, doesn't it?

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They really need to have about 3 different mission specific cartridges ( one rifle) so people can choose. That's the new concept (MRAD) coming forward. I believe Barrett has already designed the rifle. 6.5 Creedmoor won't be one of the cartridges, not that it isn't a fine cartridge for sporting purposes.


7.62x51mm NATO, .300 Norma Magnum, and .338 Norma Magnum are the specified cartridges.

@Garandimal, now you’re responding to he who is butt-hurt and full of drama. You keep pissin in everyone else’s Kool Aid, dodging questions, and moving the target. I’m still wondering where all of the impudent children are who are starting threads that belittle all other cartridges when compared to the 6.5 Creedmoor but as yet you’ve not pointed out a one. You continue to be the instigator of such nonesense and wait for reactions as if they were fan mail.

And now that my “letter” has been published which paraphrases your chief complaints but replaces “6.5 Creedmoor” with .270 Winchester” you’ve declared ME the crybaby. I’m not here to irk people, I’m just tired of your never ending quest to bad mouth a cartridge you don’t like. It’s old and childish, well beyond that letter and I do know you’re better than that (because I’ve read many of your other posts).

Garandimal said:

Butt-hurt drama aside...

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Garandimal said:

It's disrespectful - and reeks of adolescent "The world is new - because I don't know anything else."

We got here - by standing on the shoulders greatness.


If, the 6.5 Creedmagic had been promoted as "almost" a 6.5x55 Swede... that fits into a "short action"?

...there would be nothing for you to be figuring out.

Same goes for the .270 Win and the "almost/short action" 7mm-08 inpudence.

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Newtosavage said:

"practically all of the rifles chambering the Creedmoor are either heavy target rifles or full-length hunting rifles."

What exactly is a "full-length hunting rifle" anyway? LOL

I threw a 6.5 CM barrel on a Savage action, chopped it to 20", dropped it in a lightweight stock and all I got out of it was a sweet shooting 7 lb. 40" hunting rig with outstanding ballistics for deer and very polite manners for such a light rifle. And then the very first load I tried out of it, shot 1/2 MOA. I'm struggling to find the problem here.

Savage and Ruger have probably sold more lightweight hunting rifles chambered in 6.5 CM than all their other chamberings combined over the past several years. Why? Because it makes for one of the most practical and versatile deer rifles ever created.

I just don't see the point in knocking such a useful round.

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It's probably going to nudge a lot of sporting cartridges down the list of popularity simply because of rifle and ammo mfg. support. Reloaders and competitors won't notice but people who just buy their ammo (hunters) will opt for the sporter rifle/cartridge combination.

Skylerbone said:

@Garandimal, now you’re responding to he who is butt-hurt and full of drama. You keep pissin in everyone else’s Kool Aid, dodging questions, and moving the target. I’m still wondering where all of the impudent children are who are starting threads that belittle all other cartridges when compared to the 6.5 Creedmoor but as yet you’ve not pointed out a one. You continue to be the instigator of such nonesense and wait for reactions as if they were fan mail.

And now that my “letter” has been published which paraphrases your chief complaints but replaces “6.5 Creedmoor” with .270 Winchester” you’ve declared ME the crybaby. I’m not here to irk people, I’m just tired of your never ending quest to bad mouth a cartridge you don’t like. It’s old and childish, well beyond that letter and I do know you’re better than that (because I’ve read many of your other posts).

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Delicate sensibilities - seem to have prevented the understanding that, facts and the truth don't really care about feelings.

Post what interests you. Compare, contrast, or commune with what else is available and in use.

Propagating a psychosis - is not required.

If that bothers you? That is a personal problem.

Shoot what you like - and learn to live with the truth.




GR

Garandimal said:

Propagating a psychosis - is not required.

If that bothers you? That is a personal problem.

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None of us have a problem. Not one I can think of suffering from mania. Some have shared their enthusiasm over a new rifle in a new caliber which is a far cry from the above. I bought my first 6.5 on a lark at a sale price of $169, a T/C Compass, which I could have also gotten in .308 or 30-06, the other two calibers they had in stock.

As I own 2 -06s and have 6 children from 10-15 (blended family), recoil reduction was the deciding factor. My 12 & 13 yr old daughters love shooting and we’ve been planning an antelope hunt so the Creedmoor made sense within those parameters. Meanwhile dear old dad felt they should each have a rifle so he picked up a RAP in the same caliber (parody is our norm for hunts).

I’m not conspiring to promote the 6.5 Creedmoor as better than anything out there, I’d sooner have chosen 25-06 or .257 Roberts but again, $169 dollars for a new centerfire rifle...no-brainer. I don’t have a beef with .270 Win either. In fact I feel it has several advantages over my -06s as a real world hunting rifle, but again dear old dad intervened some 28 years ago when he bought me my first 30-06 and I’ve stuck with it.

I’m not trying to fuel caliber wars or spread false narratives; those aren’t my reasons for being part of this community. Have I enjoyed shooting the 6.5? Yes. Is that tantamount to disrespect, adolescence, or mania? No.

Skylerbone said:

None of us have a problem. Not one I can think of suffering from mania. Some have shared their enthusiasm over a new rifle in a new caliber which is a far cry from the above. I bought my first 6.5 on a lark at a sale price of $169, a T/C Compass, which I could have also gotten in .308 or 30-06, the other two calibers they had in stock.

As I own 2 -06s and have 6 children from 10-15 (blended family), recoil reduction was the deciding factor. My 12 & 13 yr old daughters love shooting and we’ve been planning an antelope hunt so the Creedmoor made sense within those parameters. Meanwhile dear old dad felt they should each have a rifle so he picked up a RAP in the same caliber (parody is our norm for hunts).

I’m not conspiring to promote the 6.5 Creedmoor as better than anything out there, I’d sooner have chosen 25-06 or .257 Roberts but again, $169 dollars for a new centerfire rifle...no-brainer. I don’t have a beef with .270 Win either. In fact I feel it has several advantages over my -06s as a real world hunting rifle, but again dear old dad intervened some 28 years ago when he bought me my first 30-06 and I’ve stuck with it.

I’m not trying to fuel caliber wars or spread false narratives; those aren’t my reasons for being part of this community. Have I enjoyed shooting the 6.5? Yes. Is that tantamount to disrespect, adolescence, or mania? No.

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Quote for us where I have written Anything "bad" about Any cartridge.

"All cartridges are equal. But some cartridges are more equal than others."
- George Orwell -






GR

Someone is enjoying the attention they are getting.

Okay I've been seeing this thread and told myself I wasn't gonna comment on any more 6.5CR or 270 threads but here I am.

Back in January I bought a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor. It hasn't changed my life but it has changed my bank account. I'm burning through different bullets and H4350 like crazy. I love shooting it and haven't found a bullet yet that I can't consistently get under .5" at 100yds. Either the RAP rifle is just a tack driver or the caliber is just an inherently accurate caliber... Or both.

I'm on a couple of 6.5 Facebook forums and a LOT of people share similar experiences as mine with a lot of different rifles.

If your thinking of getting one I say go for it. It won't change your life but I bet you'll like it.