loneviking
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No, it was a dot.
Crimson Trace doesn't make a red dot. They make lasers. These are definitely not the same thing.No, it was a dot.
Crimson Trace doesn't make a red dot. They make lasers. These are definitely not the same thing.
Edit: See below. The red dot is mounted on top of the gun. The red dot it produces is NOT visible on the target itself. You could put your hand in front of it and the dot would still be visible to you if you were looking through the window feom the rear.View attachment 889482
Target color and shading is a problem with open sights more than it is with dot sights, and especially "lit" dot sights.But I’m not looking down the sights trying to find the red dot. And I can find it, after 2 or 3 seconds which can be an eternity in a gunfight.
Here’s something I tried that showed me that red dots aren’t for me. Give this a try. Go down to Goodwill and buy a couple of cheap, plaid shirts. Try to find one that’s blue/green, and another that’s red checked.
Take your man sized targets out to the range and put the shirt over your targets. Set the target out there at about 10 yards in sunlight. And then 20 yards. See if you can find your dot and how long it takes you to find it. I was using a Crimson Trace red laser and it was time consuming and tough to find.
I don’t have that problem with open sights. YMMV, and if you can pick that dot up quick, even in sunlight, I can see the advantage. But I can’t seem to do it.
I think having to "train" with a type of sight speaks volumes in regards to the practicality or lack thereof, with your average shooter. A little over 50 years ago my father gave me a Daisy Red Ryder and explained to me how to align the sights. Other than fine-tuning the use of iron and aperture sights when I participated in High Power competition, that was the extent of my "training" with these sights. A few weeks ago I shot a buck at a little over 40 yds. with a fixed sight revolver. I've done this several times and the sights are never and have never been an issue in these situations. I never even remember the sight picture, only trying the steady the front sight where I want the bullet to go. It really is that simple.
IMHO electronic sights are fine for use in controlled conditions where Murphy doesn't exist, but in the rest of the world where "defecation occurs", simplicity and ruggedness will always be my choice.
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Give this a try. Go down to Goodwill and buy a couple of cheap, plaid shirts. Try to find one that’s blue/green, and another that’s red checked.
and if you can pick that dot up quick, even in sunlight,
And I can find it, after 2 or 3 seconds which can be an eternity in a gunfight.
If that's the level of "training" that people are bringing to their iron sight shooting, they're going to be very slow with iron sights, too. And, in fact, most people aren't fast with iron sights.
The idea that aligning 4 things (eyeball, rear notch, front post, and target) while focusing on only one of those is somehow more intuitive than looking at a target and superimposing one thing (a dot) is a joke.
I think having to "train" with a type of sight speaks volumes in regards to the practicality or lack thereof, with your average shooter. A little over 50 years ago my father gave me a Daisy Red Ryder and explained to me how to align the sights. Other than fine-tuning the use of iron and aperture sights when I participated in High Power competition, that was the extent of my "training" with these sights.
WOW.....I guess I was wrong about needing to train with something as simple as iron sights, evidently some shooters do need to.
I think having to "train" with a type of sight speaks volumes in regards to the practicality or lack thereof, with your average shooter.
I wonder, do you realize that your 50 years of shooting iron sights was training?
Remarkable. I've never met anyone who was remotely serious about their pistol shooting who didn't want to do lots and lots of practicing.
That's 50 years of use, not training
So, you handle a rifle exactly in the same manner that you were at 50 years ago? Impressive if true, and kind of sad... since all other humans learn from repetitive actions. All repetitive actions.
Call me skeptical, but I'm pretty sure the way you handle and shoulder a rifle now is not the same way you did it when your father first showed you how. I'm willing to bet that when you shoulder a rifle there is a whole series of muscle movements involved that puts the rifle exactly where it needs to be on your shoulder, your head exactly where it needs to be on the stock and your eye exactly where it needs to be behind the sight. These are all movements that you have trained yourself to perform. You may not even realize that you are performing these actions. I guarantee you, they aren't movements you automatically did when your father first handed you a rifle.
This is the same way a pistol shooter trains their body to perform the drawing motion. It is an action learned through repetition that no one does quickly and smoothly the first time.
This is the whole concept behind dry fire practice
The same reason I can always tell someone in IDPA hasn't trained on mag changes enough. Their body simply doesn't know the motions to perform without conscious thought to direct them. It's clumsy and awkward where as experienced competitors are more fluid in the same motions.
So yes, your 50 years of doing the same thing has been training.
The subject is sights, not handling rifles.
Red Dot sights thus application Military, Law Enforcement and Sport shooting venues. As for myself in regards to personal protection, thus concealed carry. If there is an occurrence that requires deployment of my EDC, most likely the distances would be rather close in to contact. At those distances I do not see the Red Dot sight to be advantageous as opposed to a standard set of night sights.
Standard on the phased plasma rifle.Without a quantum leap in reliable power source, no. Possibly an onboard fuel cell arrangement that extracts water vapor from the ambient air in order to produce electricity might make me change my mind.