Kyle Rittenhouse Trial?

The prosecution deliberately withholding whole evidence from the defense (the video) and introducing selected "enhanced" parts at trial sounds like a major violation of one or more of the rules of discovery established by law or court ruling.

(Brady, Jencks, Giglio rules on discovery evidence stick out in my memory from reading Jesse Walter's book on the Ruby Ridge standoff. In that case the defense and prosecution had a very open agreement on sharing exculpatory and incriminatory evidence with each other. The FBI withheld evidence about the shooting of Vicki Weaver requested by both defense and prosecution until after the FBI sniper testified. That necessitated the sniper be recalled to the stand to explain his sketch of the sight picture when he fired.

Also in regard to the background noise on the Rittenhouse case, I am rereading the book Jesse Walter helped prosecutor Christopher Darden write about the O.J. Simpson trial. I am getting the impression we are going from rule of law to rule of mob: the judge in Rittenhouse has received death threats, jurors have asked to be excused, people in the court have videoed the jurors, "peaceful protestors" outside can be heard in the courtroom. When the legal system bows to whomever can threaten the most mayhem in the streets, you're entering the 1920s Weimar Republic Zone.)

Corpral_Agarn said:

Riots no matter what.

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The riots magically ceased the morning after Rittenhouse shot Rosenbaum, Huber, and Grosskreutz.

Kleanbore said:

Why would a US Marshal be in the jury room of a county courtroom?

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County Sheriff deputies are often times deputized as US Marshals. A large portion of Law Enforcement works in conjunction with various other departments and in doing so have unofficial titles.
A county Sheriff deputy can also be, working with the DEA, and the US Marshals service, Customs and Border enforcement, as well as a State drug interdiction task force, fugitive task forces, etc, etc.....

https://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-f...-trump-supporter-gun-pocket/story?id=73609495

[QUOTE="The new information follows initial reports from investigators who said members of the federal fugitive task force involved in shooting Reinoehl gave conflicting statements. One said he opened fire when Reinoehl pointed a gun at task force members, while another alleged Reinoehl appeared to be reaching for a gun when he was shot, officials said.

In a statement released shortly after Reinoehl was shot, the U.S. Marshals service said task force members opened fire on the fugitive who "produced a firearm, threatening the lives of law enforcement officers."[/QUOTE]

Kleanbore said:

Not a good idea at all. Extremely high risks of all kinds.

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It was meant as an exemplar. The only way there will ever be a riot on my lawn is if the raccoons and the opossums go to war over grubs.

armydog said:

Most likely GG won't be charged. He's been a good little boy for the prosecutors. And the prosecutor already chose his scapegoat. Plus as a matter of record, the prosecutor called him and everyone else trying to beat down or kill KR a hero. lol

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I doubt the prosecution calling him a hero, or his being a good little boy, has anything to do with him likely not getting charged.

What likely DID happen was the prosecution, and Grosskreuz's attorney, arrived at an agreement in which he would not be charged/prosecuted for particular crimes in exchange for his testimony.

RetiredUSNChief said:

I doubt the prosecution calling him a hero, or his being a good little boy, has anything to do with him likely not getting charged.

What likely DID happen was the prosecution, and Grosskreuz's attorney, arrived at an agreement in which he would not be charged/prosecuted for particular crimes in exchange for his testimony.

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That too. lol

There is a lot of slippery slope in all of this. I see it in hunting forums and 2nd amendment forums. And, I have seen it progressively getting worse over the past 45 years.

IMO Kyle Rittenhouse was exercising his constitutional right afforded to him under the 2nd amendment. Most of us would just say home.

Not only Kyle Rittenhouse but every American has the right to keep and bare arms....... except of course those deemed otherwise, and of course special circumstances as agreed by those who have conceded those rights over the past couple hundred years, and of course, etc, etc, etc….
It has been popularized in movies and widely accepted. "Nobody is saying you can't own a gun, nobody is even saying you can't carry a gun, all we're saying is you can't carry a gun in town" -Tombstone the movie.



I have come to the conclusion this is how the case will turn out. He is convicted, and down the slippery slope a little more we all go. We meaning everyone, 5 year old children included.

Or, the 2nd amendment is upheld, and the right to “keep and bare arms” is affirmed, and equally important is “the right to use deadly force in defending oneself from a violent attacker” which is also affirmed, or not….. in these trying times of organized covert political and organized covert societal upheaval. The splitting of hairs serves the march of tyranny just fine however quickly or slow it is.

The police were not disarming citizens on the streets of Kenosha but that is exactly what the mob tried to do with Kyle. Rosenbaum clearly wanted at first to disarm Kyle, what he wanted to do after that fact we will never know. Rittenhouse was struck from behind while running with a rock in a closed fist, he was struck from behind by a skateboard, he was attacked by “jump kick man” Huber attacked him a second time then attempted to disarm him, and either Gaige wanted to “take him into custody” himself or kill him we will never know.

I have not been pleased with the defense strategy. And outright disgusted by the state prosecutors blatant fabrications and lying. While Kyle is under oath the prosecutor is not. Sure they’ll still get their 3 egg special at the town diner, and people will say whatever… doesn't matter.

There is a saying “out of the mouth of babes” and though inexperienced, and idealistic of the world Kyle himself lives in. He had every right to keep and more importantly bare arms. A right not exercised is a right lost.

GEM said:

The mistrial motion was dismissed.

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I read something that there was another motion for a mistrial on the grounds of the prosecution withholding evidence, because apparently the defense discovered that the drone video evidence the prosecution used in their closing to argue that Rittenhouse provoked Rosenbaum's attack by pointing his rifle at Ziminski was provided to them in a compressed and low-resolution form, while the prosecution used a higher-resolution video in their closing argument after evidence had been closed. They also cited all the original arguments for a mistrial with prejudice.

Link to motion at Daily Mail.

Does anyone think that the jurors would rule guilty in fear of retaliation from the opposite side? I worry that the protestors and fear of retaliation will compromise the jury.

What you get if you don't sequester the jury in a political trial.

I doubt I would pass examination for a jury in a political trial; but I sure got chewed out by the Head Lawyer in a civil case when I said the plaintiff was a coworker, I had heard all the particulars and would not much credit what the defendant said.

browneu said:

Does anyone think that the jurors would rule guilty in fear of retaliation from the opposite side?

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In a random group of a dozen people are there any weak, indecisive, unprincipled individuals? The odds almost guarantee that there are.

browneu said:

Does anyone think that the jurors would rule guilty in fear of retaliation from the opposite side? I worry that the protestors and fear of retaliation will compromise the jury.

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Won't be the first time and won't be the last time.

Yup, our "justice" system at work ... Not perfect but it is what it is.

Jim Watson said:

I doubt I would pass examination for a jury in a political trial; but I sure got chewed out by the Head Lawyer in a civil case when I said the plaintiff was a coworker, I had heard all the particulars and would not much credit what the defendant said.

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I was excused from a jury when the plaintiffs attorney caught me rolling my eyes. The plaintiff (about 20 years old) was suing a girl, and former friend, because she went in the ditch with her car when giving him a ride, injuring his back. I rolled my eyes when the attorney was explaining that even though the defendant had previously suffered a back injury then sued someone over it and won, his back pain was now even worse despite no outward signs of it.

If the police is unwilling or not allowed to protect life and property from unruly rioters the only way we can pull our country out of this socialist downward spiral is for thousands of citizens to get together and do exactly what Kyle did. The Marxist America-haters know that and it's why obliterating the 2nd Amendment is so important to them. If Kyle Rittenhouse is acquitted rest assured that the Left is already organized and ready to immediately start another string of violent riots across the country. Hopefully, the police, the National Guard or whatever it takes will be allowed to do their job and not leave it to civilians to do it for them.

Jim Watson said:

What you get if you don't sequester the jury in a political trial.

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I am simply amazed the jury wasn’t sequestered in the case. The only silver lining is that if he should happen to be convicted this might help him on appeal.

browneu said:

Does anyone think that the jurors would rule guilty in fear of retaliation from the opposite side? I worry that the protestors and fear of retaliation will compromise the jury.

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Definite possibility. I alluded to it in post #209.

Yesterday the protests could be heard from inside the courtroom. That should never have been allowed to happen.

NOW we're finding out that the manual for the photo enhancement software used for the in-dispute footage specifically states that the enhancement is only for investigatory purposes and not evidentiary purposes, which seems really huge to me since it was admitted as the now key piece of evidence that the jury wants to keep re-watching. I don't think Judge Schroeder can continue to punt on the question of that evidence.

Madcap_Magician said:

NOW we're finding out that the manual for the photo enhancement software used for the in-dispute footage specifically states that the enhancement is only for investigatory purposes and not evidentiary purposes

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Furthermore the website 4chan lit up like a Christmas tree after the introduction of that evidence and multiple videos surfaced with that, and other video angles capturing the moment in time depicted by the imagery you mention. Additional video the defense is unaware of clearly show Kyle not doing what the prosecution claims the image depicted. A point worth mentioning, an area of highlighted light stressed by the prosecution is clearly, in multiple other video footage, light reflected off the passenger-side outside mirror of the Duramax PU deceased Rosenbuam emerged from.

Styx said:

Riots ONLY if police and National Gaurd are told to stand down. Wisconsin is a red state so not sure if they will allow them to burn everything to the ground. Plus this does not have the racial aspect to it which historically is what usually causes riots in high profile muder cases.

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Huh?

Rumormongering should be a felony.
"I heard it on a TikTok"
"I heard it from a guy on YouTube"

C'mon people. We complain about the media spreading falsehoods, lies and mistruths..........yet here we have a thread full of the same nonsense.

dogtown tom said:

Rumormongering should be a felony.

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The First Amendment is just as important as the Second Amendment. Just because someone with bad judgement uses the Amendments for bad, doesn't invalidate them. This is the identical logic being used by anti-gunners.

Earlier on the steam i'm listening to, you could hear protestors from inside the courtroom.

There are planned "peaceful protests" in Alabama if any of the charges against Rittenhouse are not guilty. On one hand I hope they are like the last few protests that were planned here, small or never happened. On the other hand, I avoid the protest area and always carry.