Be careful with your reloading

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I've seen two other revolvers that looked like that. In each case, the reloader had used Bullseye instead of 2400. Inadvertently, but decidedly disastrous.
 
Bill_in_TR said:
I won't let anyone shoot my reloads and I won't shoot anyone else's reloads. The only person I want affected by my reloading is me. And the only thing I want affecting me is my own reloads.
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I say this as well, but don't practice it. My wife my son shoot my reloads all the time. In some of the guns I own there is no other option. I would love for someone to tell me where I can find 351 WSL on the shelf.

I have well known friends that come out to shoot, and want to shoot this old things, we like people to enjoy our hobbies.

I do not sell reloads, I don't reload for other people, I have also had people ask me to reload for them.....If I buy x y z will you load them up for me, well no but for not much more money I will help you do it, then you can do it whever you want.
 
Ru4real said:
Glad no one got hurt.

Another photo showing cylinder notches aren’t the start of failure on a double action revolver. The extractor relief cut has a square or tight radius corner concentrating stresses and this is where the cylinder begins to unzip. The adjacent non-firing cylinders sometimes split at the cylinder notch ending the failure, this being an example of that.
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Excuse me but, are you implying metal fatigue, some sort of design flaw, or maybe even some unanticipated metallurgic failure may have taken place? Insanity!
Sir, let me remind you, HAND LOADS were involved. Therefore there can be only ONE explanation: an idiot. A lazy, stupid, or neglectful handloader who mixed powders, tried some crazy combination of powders-bullets-cases-primers and exceeded the pressure limits of the cartridge. Firearms do not suffer any other type of failure at any other time and if they do, it's still the fault of the person who made the ammo.
Please keep that long-accepted bit of internet lore in mind before commenting next time. It's just plain dangerous not to blame the handloads when a firearm spontaneously self-disassembles.
(tongue placed firmly in cheek)
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
Excuse me but, are you implying metal fatigue, some sort of design flaw, or maybe even some unanticipated metallurgic failure may have taken place? Insanity!
Sir, let me remind you, HAND LOADS were involved. Therefore there can be only ONE explanation: an idiot. A lazy, stupid, or neglectful handloader who mixed powders, tried some crazy combination of powders-bullets-cases-primers and exceeded the pressure limits of the cartridge. Firearms do not suffer any other type of failure at any other time and if they do, it's still the fault of the person who made the ammo.
Please keep that long-accepted bit of internet lore in mind before commenting next time. It's just plain dangerous not to blame the handloads when a firearm spontaneously self-disassembles.
(tongue placed firmly in cheek)
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Spoken like someone who’s fired up and rarin to go.
 
Well........ sucks to be you

Never use reduced loads

Powder that doesn't fill 80% of case capacity

More than 1 powder at a time
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
Excuse me but, are you implying metal fatigue, some sort of design flaw, or maybe even some unanticipated metallurgic failure may have taken place? Insanity!
Sir, let me remind you, HAND LOADS were involved. Therefore there can be only ONE explanation: an idiot. A lazy, stupid, or neglectful handloader who mixed powders, tried some crazy combination of powders-bullets-cases-primers and exceeded the pressure limits of the cartridge. Firearms do not suffer any other type of failure at any other time and if they do, it's still the fault of the person who made the ammo.
Please keep that long-accepted bit of internet lore in mind before commenting next time. It's just plain dangerous not to blame the handloads when a firearm spontaneously self-disassembles.
(tongue placed firmly in cheek)
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I'll just say a 308 round in a garand will pop open the bottom every time and the two idiots wondering what's wrong do it a half dozen times before stopping. Both were hand loaders and both knew better. It makes straight wall cases.
 
AJC1 said:
I'll just say a 308 round in a garand will pop open the bottom every time and the two idiots wondering what's wrong do it a half dozen times before stopping. Both were hand loaders and both knew better. It makes straight wall cases.
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You know the old saying about making things fool-proof.
 
Lo-Profile said:
This happened to a friend of mine back in Pennsylvania. Thankfully nobody was hurt. Don't know any specifics on the guys reloading material or the type of gun.

"Grateful to be unharmed when this 44 Magnum blew up in my hands as I fired the first round. Lessons learned: say you will pass when someone you barely know offers you to shoot a gun loaded with ammo they loaded themselves. The gun blew a part cracking the breech sending shrapnel into the side of their house."

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About a month ago a guy who works at our club had a similar photo of a Royal Blue Python with 3 cylinders blown out of it. You could see on the wall of the bay where the pieces of the cylinder struck.
 
Maybe a little bit on topic about the general opinion of not shooting someone else's hand loads. I was at the range and a guy with a labradar was setting up. Apparently he was doing load development for his friends' guns because his friends wanted more precision from their rifles for long range hunting. My gut would tell me his friends probably don't shoot enough. That said, the guy doing the load development appeared to know what he was doing. There are some friends that I would trust. And others I wouldn't.
 
The worst kaboom I witnessed was at a high-power match. new shooter with a m1a national match. first sighter of the day I was standing behind him. RO called range hot I heard boooom like a canon going off. gun was in pieces, bolt was imbeded in the stock. I asked him what he was shooting said varget but it wasn't metering so he ground it in the blender. :what:
 
jak67429 said:
The worst kaboom I witnessed was at a high-power match. new shooter with a m1a national match. first sighter of the day I was standing behind him. RO called range hot I heard boooom like a canon going off. gun was in pieces, bolt was imbeded in the stock. I asked him what he was shooting said varget but it wasn't metering so he ground it in the blender. :what:
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Shared your post. Was this at camp perry
 
That is reminiscent of the man known here as "Scoops" because it was his practice to scoop a case full of powder and compress it with the bullet. His logic was that if they had wanted you to use less powder, they would have made the case smaller. And if it said "Rifle Powder" on the can, it was suitable for case full loads in any rifle; those numbers did not mean anything to him. He was on his third Model 70 .300 Win Mag.

My friend who worked at the store finally realized his approach and would sell him only the slowest burning powder so that a case full was a safe load. H870 I think. Also 4227 for his .44 Magnum with warnings to keep them separate.

Case 2 was the guy who said at the range: "I'm out of ammo, I will pack up and go home." Helpful shooter said: "Stick around, shoot some of mine." KaBOOM. Post analysis indicates that Mr Helpful was loading .357 Magnum with Bullseye, a good bit of Bullseye. Two such bits were enough to wreck Other Guy's revolver.

Case 3 was the old time Skeet shooter who wrecked a shotgun. That newfangled plastic Power Piston shouldn't have made any difference in how much Red Dot he had been accustomed to loading behind card wads. Should it? Yup.
 
jak67429 said:
The worst kaboom I witnessed was at a high-power match. new shooter with a m1a national match. first sighter of the day I was standing behind him. RO called range hot I heard boooom like a canon going off. gun was in pieces, bolt was imbeded in the stock. I asked him what he was shooting said varget but it wasn't metering so he ground it in the blender. :what:
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you gotta be kidding?!?!?! that’s CRAZY
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
Yeah, I know, right? Everyone knows you’re supposed to use a coffee grinder. :D
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here’s a analogy on that. Like coffee, the finer you grind it the stronger it becomes (per sq size)

Expresso is grind at 4 gap, fine powder fast extraction

Drip coffee is grind at 40 gap, course chunks for slow brew

Same with Powder, it a stick for a reason, it’s a fine pellet for a reason.

In the case “People are Dangerous”
 
Remington1911 said:
Thing is you have no idea....there is a lot of trust that goes on to just step onto a public range, even at a large event. One of the reasons I quit going to public ranges.
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Nah. Same goes for crossing the street. You have to look both ways before stepping off the curb but really you don’t know if the car you couldn’t see is gonna plow through the intersection and mow you down, along with a bunch of other people. Sometimes you just got to have a little faith.
 
Remington1911 said:
Thing is you have no idea....there is a lot of trust that goes on to just step onto a public range, even at a large event. One of the reasons I quit going to public ranges.
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I get your point, but doubt there is any solid data on such risks concerning public v. private ranges or any of the various types within each category.

I only shoot at ranges which are supervised by a qualified and objective on-duty range officer who is NOT also shooting at the time and will quickly enforce rules everyone knows of and has agreed to. Ownership-type isn’t a consideration.

Having said that I’ve heard two kabooms at the range. Didn’t actually see either one.

The first was 40 years ago at an outdoor government range with highly qualified range officers and all shooters undergoing their periodic supervised re-qualification and each of whom (except me) were likely experienced enough to be range officers. A rifle shooting what I now presume was some kind of government loaded ammo blew up. This was many many years before I was a reloader and at all familiar with squibs, etc. I was quite a ways away from this and don’t recall particulars as to damage or cause but pretty sure there were no injuries because I would recall that.

The second was about five years ago at the NRA HQ range in Fairfax. Again before I was a reloader, but after years of recreational shooting which teaches one a lot (or should anyway). An AR of some sort blew to smithereens with parts flying down range maybe 10 yards. The partitions between lanes did their job and prevented anything going sideways. No harm to the shooter either. Range officer quickly called cease fire.

As I wrote this it occurred to me I’m only comfortable at ranges with ballistic materials between lanes and with a range officer on duty.
 
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