Can’t be seriousGlocks triggers are no worse than any of the other "factory" triggers. People need to stop trying to perpetuate that myth.
Try out some nice guns and check back in.
Can’t be seriousGlocks triggers are no worse than any of the other "factory" triggers. People need to stop trying to perpetuate that myth.
Can’t be serious
Try out some nice guns and check back in.
people that say this trigger is “bad” are just making excuses for their lack of shooting skills.
Why accept inferior mechanisms or mediocrity? Trying to achieve positive results on one's targets using a pistol with a crappy trigger is just an exercise in futility. I'm sorry, but if you've had the pleasure of experiencing a good Wilson, Brown or Baer trigger, and then tell me that you consistently can match groups from those pistols with your Glock 26, Springfield XD or Ruger P90, please, bring me some of what you're smoking.I do still believe though, that if you are still at the point that you are dwelling on what the trigger, or anything else the gun is doing for that matter, while youre shooting, regardless how you shoot, youre focusing on the wrong things, and need to get past all that.
That would be one of the following: ignorance. denial, or maybe some jealousyOh he often claims they are just as good as 1911 triggers..
Yep, sorry, I'm not gonna be driving a 2004 Ford Focus after I've been driving the wife's Lexus ES.That would be one of the following: ignorance. denial, or maybe some jealousy
Not real sure
I can adapt to any trigger, so none of them are bad to me. I own every type of trigger there is, and have been collecting handguns since 1973, and don’t believe in getting rid of anything. I learn to shoot them all. I own a few 1911’s, and know what a great single action trigger is. Please stop coming across like an ignoramus. What you’re saying is you can only shoot certain guns well, and run from any challenge to master different triggers. lol, if it’s not a Wilson, Brown, or Baer you can’t shoot. I’m interested in defensive shooting, and have total confidence that I can use any of my many handguns to get the job done. You can’t shoot, because you need your so called improved trigger. Wow what a sissy you are.Not necessarily. There is such a thing as a "bad trigger," and those of us that know this don't use it as an excuse for how we perform on the range. We'll either get rid of the gun or try to improve the trigger.
Why accept inferior mechanisms or mediocrity? Trying to achieve positive results on one's targets using a pistol with a crappy trigger is just an exercise in futility. I'm sorry, but if you've had the pleasure of experiencing a good Wilson, Brown or Baer trigger, and then tell me that you consistently can match groups from those pistols with your Glock 26, Springfield XD or Ruger P90, please, bring me some of what you're smoking.
I don’t own a Sig P365 or P365XL but have rented both of them. The 365 had the curved trigger, and the 365XL had the flat trigger. They both seemed gritty to me, but for defensive purpose they were acceptable. I’m not a trigger snob, not everything has to be a custom 1911 fine honed trigger job for me.I'm not a trigger connoisseur, but when a trigger feels gritty or erratic, sump'n ain't right and it usually doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the cause. Case in point. The Sig P365 series has a reputation for gritty triggers right out of the box that smooth out a bit with use. The triggers in my P365 and P365XL felt completely different, even though they use the identical FCU and I had the curved trigger installed in both of them. The P365 trigger felt gritty, but the P365XL trigger had a grab and slip chattering action.
The cause was cost cutting by Sig. The trigger linkage bar is a piece of stamped steel and Sig used the very ROUGH edge of the stamping to contact the sear and striker safety lever. Sig never bothered to polish the contact point on the trigger linkage bar. Less than 5 minutes of hand polishing of this contact point and both triggers are as smooth as can be and the triggers feel nearly identical.
Say whatever you like about how the Sig trigger operates, but with only a few minutes of work at least the trigger can be very smooth. I'm sure that you will find similar issues with other mass produced pistols if you take the time to look carefully.
I enjoy 1911’s and Glocks, I guess I’m just a real handgun lover. It’s like when I was a kid I could listen to Led Zeppelin, and 5 minutes later Johnny Cash. I have always had a wide diversity in handguns and music.I love both of these guns. I shoot both guns, a lot. One I shoot ok, the other I shoot well. I am trying to shoot one better, really hard. The other just shoots. I don’t understand why, by some definitions promulgated, that I am a bad shooter because I shoot the 1911 better than the Glock.
Well, I wanted to attach photos of targets but for some reason, that function is not working. I’m sure that means that I am a bad forum member!
The guns I am referring too are a Gen 5 Glock 17 and a Nighthawk Combat Special.
I know you have a bunch of "nice" guns, all very pretty. They take pretty pics, but funny how none of them look like they have ever been shot or used, which seems to be a pretty common thing when you see people post up pics of their stuff.Can’t be serious
Try out some nice guns and check back in.
Mine are, but then again, mine are all factory stock triggers, either way. I don't waste money on crutches trying to buy my skill.Oh he often claims they are just as good as 1911 triggers..
I quit smoking everything decades ago. That, and getting into shape and maintaining that, were two of the best things I did too.Not necessarily. There is such a thing as a "bad trigger," and those of us that know this don't use it as an excuse for how we perform on the range. We'll either get rid of the gun or try to improve the trigger.
Why accept inferior mechanisms or mediocrity? Trying to achieve positive results on one's targets using a pistol with a crappy trigger is just an exercise in futility. I'm sorry, but if you've had the pleasure of experiencing a good Wilson, Brown or Baer trigger, and then tell me that you consistently can match groups from those pistols with your Glock 26, Springfield XD or Ruger P90, please, bring me some of what you're smoking.
LOL. Is hubris your middle name? While you take all those pretty pics, I actually shoot most all of my guns, all the time. Lets see some of yours with the heavy hoster and use wear on them and how well you do with them.That would be one of the following: ignorance. denial, or maybe some jealousy
Not real sure
And again, the comparisons need to be on an even keel. Why is it people always want to compare "top end" guns to box stock factory guns to make their points? I have a run of the mill SIG P320XC and its shoot very much the same as any of my Glocks or other guns. So compare that SIG to the one you want to compare it to. Is it trash like the Glocks? Is my P226 in the same boat? Beretta 92, HP, or any of the others?Yep, sorry, I'm not gonna be driving a 2004 Ford Focus after I've been driving the wife's Lexus ES.
Even among striker-fired pistols, any Glock trigger doesn't hold a candle to the triggers on the top-end SIG P-320s (X Series, AXG, 320 Max) or Walther PDP (Pros, Match series). Even the HK VP9 has a easily detectible better trigger than a Glock.
I shoot often. I shoot matches. I take care of my stuff.I know you have a bunch of "nice" guns, all very pretty. They take pretty pics, but funny how none of them look like they have ever been shot or used, which seems to be a pretty common thing when you see people post up pics of their stuff.
Like I said, come to a match sometime. I’m always up for free entertainment.LOL. Is hubris your middle name? While you take all those pretty pics, I actually shoot most all of my guns, all the time. Lets see some of yours with the heavy hoster and use wear on them and how well you do with them.
Is all you do is photo bomb all these gun sites with expensive guns that look brand new like they have never been shot. We can google and see the same photos. I have no doubt I can out shoot you with a stock Glock trigger, up against any one of your expensive handguns of your choosing. I have shot Glock stock triggers 3 times a week for years. Now that I’m 70 I don’t shoot as much anymore, because I have other hobbies, but my Glock shooting skills are still good.I shoot often. I shoot matches. I take care of my stuff.
Next time you’re in the SE PA area, I’ll be happy school you. You can even try out some nice triggers in the process.
LOL. So does that mean no picks of an actual hard use gun then.Like I said, come to a match sometime. I’m always up for free entertainment.
I carry a SA Hellcat most days. I don’t carry a competition pistol. Your argument is asinine.
I don’t shoot Glocks that often, so maybe so. I own a few of them, but they aren’t my thing. I do feel I’m adequate with them, but that’s it.Is all you do is photo bomb all these gun sites with expensive guns that look brand new like they have never been shot. We can google and see the same photos. I have no doubt I can out shoot you with a stock Glock trigger, up against any one of your expensive handguns of your choosing. I have shot Glock stock triggers 3 times a week for years. Now that I’m 70 I don’t shoot as much anymore, because I have other hobbies, but my Glock shooting skills are still good.
Lmao! I don’t need to show “hard use” handguns or targets. I’m very secure in my shooting ability, thank you.LOL. So does that mean no picks of an actual hard use gun then.
You have seemingly some great taste in handguns. Try a Strike One Ergal sometime. I actually feel they have the finest stock striker trigger on the market. Even better than the Dynamic trigger on my Walther Black Tie or PDP SF Match.Please don’t get this thread locked, guys. This isn’t or shouldn’t be personal. We can and should be able to debate the relative merits of these designs. For me, until this thread, I had actually never encountered a single enthusiast who described the Glock trigger as “good.” Even among those who would agree that the design is sound, and that there’s no disputing the continued relevance of the Glock design and function, all those I know felt that the trigger was something that had to be “overcome.”
Notwithstanding the excellent counterpoints in this thread, I am still of a mind to feel that the trigger works against me, and not with me. It’s not a matter of being “stronger,” or “shooting more” (jeez, is 30k rounds a year not enough?). Given equal ammo, and time, no doubt I will get better shooting my Glocks, as is my determined hope. It is also true, of the same argument, that I will so too get better shooting my 1911s and revolvers. Therefore, for me, the Glock trigger makes it harder to shoot well. Other, newer striker designs like the Walther PDP, HK VP9 and CZ P10 are lighter and have a more defined break, so for me they are more accurate in my hands.
Completely different than the standard polymer Strike One. Totally different trigger in both feel and structure and the entire gun feels so much more precise being all metal.Thands bc, I do find that an intriguing pistol and something different. My LGS has the “basic” Strike One but not the Ergal. I’ll ask the gun buyer in the store if he can get one in. I like to see and handle firearms in person before committing to a purchase but it’s not always possible with the rare stuff.
By all means enjoy your 6 figures worth of handguns. But don't belittle people that spent several thousand on ammo over the years to become very proficient with the stock Glock trigger. In a self-defense situation that is going to pay off big time.I don’t shoot Glocks that often, so maybe so. I own a few of them, but they aren’t my thing. I do feel I’m adequate with them, but that’s it.
I’ve got six figures worth of handguns. I’m not toting a bunch of Glocks to the range and I don’t shoot competitively with them either.
If all we’re comparing are Glock skills, than maybe I need to shoot them a bit more when I have time. I’ve been shooting handguns 35+ years, so while I’m not your age, I do have some experience behind a trigger.
By all means enjoy what you shoot well, but don't belittle people that have spent several thousands of dollars on ammo over the years to become proficient with the stock Glock trigger. In a self-defense situation that is going to pay off big time. I personally like the Glock trigger especially the hard wall of gen 3, and strong tactile reset of Glock better than the PPQ/PDP. As for HK VP9 the reset is not as tactile as Glock, and vaguer, with more movement to get back to the wall. That being said I can still shoot those handguns well.Please don’t get this thread locked, guys. This isn’t or shouldn’t be personal. We can and should be able to debate the relative merits of these designs. For me, until this thread, I had actually never encountered a single enthusiast who described the Glock trigger as “good.” Even among those who would agree that the design is sound, and that there’s no disputing the continued relevance of the Glock design and function, all those I know felt that the trigger was something that had to be “overcome.”
Notwithstanding the excellent counterpoints in this thread, I am still of a mind to feel that the trigger works against me, and not with me. It’s not a matter of being “stronger,” or “shooting more” (jeez, is 30k rounds a year not enough?). Given equal ammo, and time, no doubt I will get better shooting my Glocks, as is my determined hope. It is also true, of the same argument, that I will so too get better shooting my 1911s and revolvers. Therefore, for me, the Glock trigger makes it harder to shoot well. Other, newer striker designs like the Walther PDP, HK VP9 and CZ P10 are lighter and have a more defined break, so for me they are more accurate in my hands.