.416 Remington Magnum vs. .458 Lott

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Just got back to this thread - getting oldish now, it is.
But...two points.
About not believing that the .416 Rigby can be downloaded to 45-70 levels....another poster mentioned using 5744. Yep, that is the stuff...bulky, not position sensitive. It works just fine behind a 350 grain linotype bullet.
I have been loading them for years. Never a hangfire.

About costs - once you have the brass, costs for the .416 Rigby are about one dollar per round.....at least that is what it used to be when I stocked up on components some time ago.
Nowadays....it is possible to spend more than $2 just for the bullet. But...it is also possible to spend 80 cents. Add 35 cents for powder and primer and you are at $1.15 per or $23 a box.
And buying factory .458 WM for $2.00 a round....where? What brand sells for $40 a box? A quick check online and the cheapest that I could find was $3.65 a round (a tad more in fact and that was before shipping).
Pete

With no plans to go to Africa and hunt elephant/rhino/hippo, I'd be thinking of a .375 H&H...more comfortable to shoot, useful for bear or moose here in the states and just fine for Alaskan hunting as well.

If you like thumpers, you might go for a Winchester Mod. 70 Safari in .458 Win and leave open the option of a rechamber to a .458 Lott. You'll probably end up practicing with .458 Win in a .458 Lott anyway.

My $0.02...and worth what you paid for it.

FH

Gus McCrae made a good suggestion with the .45-70. I saw a Ruger No. 1 in .45-70 on Saturday and almost went that route, having recently seen a beautiful Farquaharson in 470 NE priced at a mere $40,000 compared to the Ruger at $850. The .45-70 is fun to shoot and would be a nice rifle for most North American Hunting. It also can use inexpensive cast bullets and, being straight-walled and low pressure, allows many re-uses of brass.

Damn, I'm gonna talk my self into going back for the .45-70 Ruger.

LOL,

FH

Flatbush Harry said:

Gus McCrae made a good suggestion with the .45-70. I saw a Ruger No. 1 in .45-70 on Saturday and almost went that route, having recently seen a beautiful Farquaharson in 470 NE priced at a mere $40,000 compared to the Ruger at $850. The .45-70 is fun to shoot and would be a nice rifle for most North American Hunting. It also can use inexpensive cast bullets and, being straight-walled and low pressure, allows many re-uses of brass.

Damn, I'm gonna talk my self into going back for the .45-70 Ruger.

LOL,

FH

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Ruger does make a Craig Boddington Edition .450 Nitro Express 3-1/4" and 450-400 3".

Forgot to add $2/round 458WM Ammo links:

http://store.thehuntingshack.com/hsm458winchestermagnum350grflatpoint.aspx
http://www.wisconsincartridge.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=98

Really? I buy commercially loaded 458WM for $2/round. The reloader has to be able to do it cheaper. Especially since there a many more options for .458 dia bullets, both jacketed and lead, than for .416.

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That is what it priced out to be last time I looked, using new high end components. Of course the cost of all subsequent loadings is cut in half - the new brass is literally 1/2 the cost of the total round.

The advantage of the 416 Remington is the comparatively inexpensive Remington brand brass.

The bulk of the remaining 1/2 of the cost is the bullet - which we all know are only going up in cost.