David E
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I have never handicapped myself by not learning something because someone else said it wasn’t practical.
Amen!
I have never handicapped myself by not learning something because someone else said it wasn’t practical.
Disagree completely, as I have already said. There is a reason that bull's-eye shooters don't use .38 snubbies, but you are free not to acknowledge that.The only limitations on practical accuracy with a snub are with the shooter, not the gun
Would it be easier to shoot bullseye competitions with a longer sight radius? Of course. Nobody implied it wouldn't be.There is a reason that bull's-eye shooters don't use .38 snubbies, but you are free not to acknowledge that.
Is that really needed?but you are free not to acknowledge that
But thing is the snub is a EXPERTS GUN.
Perhaps you mean "re-label" it? No, I think practical accuracy is generally understood.Are you now redefining "practical" accuracy as "bullseye" accuracy?
Well: thanks for agreeing with my point about practical accuracy. And welcome back.Would it be easier to shoot bullseye competitions with a longer sight radius? Of course. Nobody implied it wouldn't be.
Sounds like a vote for a 100-yard take out shot on an active shooter to me--is it?Push comes to shove, then from a prone position, SA, I'd expect a good 2 inch snub with good ammo to make hits at 100 yards
"Shoot one well"--is this hits on a basketball at 50 yards, without pressure? I'm assuming from your earlier comments, but please clarify if I've misstated. Some definition of "shoot one well" would be helpful.But does it take an inordinate amount of skill to shoot one well? No.
Perhaps you mean "re-label" it? No, I think practical accuracy is generally understood.
2) Practical accuracy. One opinion I received is that what matters is that "the gun" is accurate (I assume, in a Ransom rest, for example)
I think that comment is worth a lot. PPC produced some odd, specialized revolvers; but a division for snubs (I'd be most interested in 1-7/8" barrels) is interesting and relevant here.For what it is worth, in PPC competition...
What group size do you expect at that range, if I may ask?Although, when I practice I always end with 5-10 rounds out to 50 yards
I have always thought of suppressive fire as something best accoplished with a crew-served, belt-fed weapon, not a 5-shot revolver; and as something best not done when there are innocents next to the shooter. But opinions vary.But at the same time I have no negative feelings knowing that if I had to I could, even if it was nothing more then suppressive fire
Actually, I don't think it is at all.Your definition of practical accuracy in Post #1 is contrary to everyone else's definition who came before you.
FWIW, there is a very important point here. While you certainly could "suppress" with a few shots from any gun, suppressive fire, by definition, is expected to primarily NOT hit the target but impact the general area, and so is NEVER something you perform if there are any valuable assets in the target area. As the question here referred to a situation where there were hostages/innocents near the target, performing suppressive fire would be unacceptable in the given scenario.I have always thought of suppressive fire as something best accoplished with a crew-served, belt-fed weapon, not a 5-shot revolver; and as something best not done when there are innocents next to the shooter. But opinions vary.
I was recently taken to task for suggesting that most people don't view snub-nosed revolvers as "long range"
Finally my three questions:
1) At what distance would you be comfortable taking that shot with a J-frame?
2) At what maximum distance "should we" be able to take that shot, and how do we get our abilities and comfort from the distance in question 1 to the distance in question 2?
3) For those concerned with this "long-shot" (pardon the pun) scenario, would it be worthwhile considering the carry of a different firearm?
Sounds like a very interesting experience in a lot of ways. Glad you never were called upon to use it.A few years ago I was Security Director for a large local church, and we often had a person staged in the balcony to observe and possibly take a needed shot if ground personnel weren't close, and my weapon of choice was a Ruger Vaquero in .45 colt with a 7 1/2 inch barrel. I felt very comfortable for a 50+yard shot, although the actual distance was about 35 yards.
I respectfully and incredibly politely decline, as I believe the situation may require immediate judgment based upon more complete information than was given in the original post.Any thoughts about your J-frame, hit-the-active-shooter-not-the-bystanders distance limit?
I see your point. Thanks anyway....I believe the situation may require immediate judgment based upon more complete information...
Maybe time now for me to chime in.At the range can pretty much hit the 4" gong at 25yds
Finally my three questions:
1) At what distance would you be comfortable taking that shot with a J-frame?
2) At what maximum distance "should we" be able to take that shot, and how do we get our abilities and comfort from the distance in question 1 to the distance in question 2?
3) For those concerned with this "long-shot" (pardon the pun) scenario, would it be worthwhile considering the carry of a different firearm?
1: depends a lot on the actual proximity of innocents, but I feel confident in my ability with a snub out to 25 yards off hand and 50 with a improvised rest.1) At what distance would you be comfortable taking that shot with a J-frame?
2) At what maximum distance "should we" be able to take that shot, and how do we get our abilities and comfort from the distance in question 1 to the distance in question 2?
3) For those concerned with this "long-shot" (pardon the pun) scenario, would it be worthwhile considering the carry of a different firearm?
Sounds like a very interesting experience in a lot of ways. Glad you never were called upon to use it.
Your comments here I think particularly speak to my question #3, that if you have reason to expect to engage at longer range (or just want to be prepared for that), part of your preparation might be selecting a different gun than a snub. Thanks.
Well, I think that's one bottom line. The other might be to, given one's individual assessment of whatever likely or unlikely SD scenarios he wants to be prepared for, factor that into the choice of carry gun.The bottom line, I think, is to maximize your skill with your chosen gun.
I don't see it that way, but as was pointed out, there are enough details missing that either view can be considered "correct."it would reckless to take a shot at all
If that same someone, given a 1911, can now hit that basketball--is their previous inaccuracy due to the snub then? Given the differences in individual accuracy, I think some shooters may understandably shoot better with a gun other than a snub revolver; and I think we see that regularly.If someone cannot hit a basketball past ten yards with a snub, it is not due to the snub!