M1 carbine range report

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Got a chance for a quick trip to the range and took my Inland and Underwood carbines with me.

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Only shot them at 50 yards this trip, but they seem to shoot pretty well...

The Underwood:

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And the Inland:

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Always a fun little rifle to shoot. You got me thinking, my own haven't seen daylight in going on 20 years. Anyway, glad you managed some time to get your's out and enjoy them. They shot well considering the rifle isn't quite a target type rifle.

Ron
 
I carried a M1 Carbine quite often in Viet Nam in 68 & 69 and then again in 71 & 72. And they always performed very well for me. They were easy to carry and maintain and I never had any of them fail me. I still have some magazines I brought back home with me from Viet Nam and they still work without any problems. I have had a Inland M1 Carbine and a Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine for many years. That I shoot quite often with no problems with either, and both are really very accurate for what they are. I have also been reloading for the 30 Carbine for many years which is very easy to do. And I find the 1/2 jacketed 100 0r 110 grain bullets works very well for Hunting or HD. My Old Inland 30 Carbine sets right by my side of the bed against the wall at night with one 30 round magazine in the rifle and another 30 rounder and flash lite on my night stand. And My Big Old Rottweiler Dog sleeps at the foot of my bed to make sure I wake up should a problem arise and I need to. I like the M1 Carbine, always have and probably always will.
ken
 
the cidg forces loved them and traded in their m1 garands when ever carbine became available.. eastbank.
 
cpt-t

I have always thought that an M1A1 Carbine would make for a decent home defense weapon. Your Rottweiler is great line of defense as well.
 
eastbank: We tried to give all the Carbines we could get our hands on to the Mountain Yards we worked with. Because the they really put them to good use. I was always super impressed with all the Yards I ever got a chance to work with. I could never really understand or even come close to being able to speak their language, Thank God for the interrupters. And their unique Religions were just down right spooky. But all the Yards, I ever knew or worked with hated the VC and NVA and hunted them with a vengeance. I always wondered just what happened to them. I have always hoped that they are just still out in their remote villages living their lives, but I know better than that. We should not have left them like we did, they would not have left us. We will have to answer for that.
Bannockburn: IMHO I think the M1 Carbine and a couple of 30 round magazine makes a great HD weapon. And I have never felt under armed carrying or using one of them.
ken
 
they hated the m1 garands, just to big and heavy for their frames. they would line up to trade their m1 garands for carbines. its a shame we couldn,t give them m16 car,s. eastbank.
 
What the heck's a "Mountain Yard?" :scrutiny: Some old-school unit of measurement that the early Everest climbers devised? ;)
 
some of the best fighters in the jungles of vietnam, who fought for and with us againist the viet cong and nva and who our government left like so much thrash when we got peace with honor-NOT. the grunts idea of peace with honor was-is very different than the governments. eastbank.
 
Montagnards = ((( Mountain Yards )))
This phrase was a term of very deep feelings, given to them by us. The US Soldiers that fought side by side with them, they were the best Jungle Fighters in all of Viet Nam, North or South. They were very special people, that had a Code of Honor much stronger than their fear of death. That could always be trusted no matter how bad it got and they would not run off and leave you. They did not have the words Lie, Cheat, Steal or Cowardice in their Language. Those words were foreign to the Mountain Yards, unlike the South Vietnamese. Which would steal anything that was not nailed down. IMHO the South Vietnamese were a nation thieves, liars, and cowards. That would not fight. And we despised them for that.
ken
 
Montagnard (Vietnam) the Degar people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degar "... Montagnard means "mountain people" in French ..."

South Vietnamese natives very opposed to the North Vietnamese Communist invaders.

Like own own GIs, they were eventually done dirt-wise by our politicians in the VietNam War.

To get back on topic, Larry Ruth's books on the M1 Carbine have photos of anti-NVA Vietnamese armed with M1 Carbines because they were hander for smaller-statured people than the M1 Garand. Part of the history of the M1 Carbine worth keeping in mind.
 
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Some of the montagnards were in fact brought out of VietNam at the end of the war. As previously noted these hill people lived a fairly primitive lifestyle in heavy jungle areas far from the cities and farms of the rest of the country (and were looked down upon by the french educated ruling class in the south). They were outstanding allies in every way (and are probably still a difficult problem for the rulers in that country today...) I always thought that the Hmong people that made it here were actually montagnards - but from the Laos area -but might be wrong...

I was never fortunate enough to have any contact with them during my short time in country (1971) but I'll bet more than one SOF type bonded with them in every way possible out in the boonies...
 
The few NCOs I knew that wore elephant hair braclets had nothing but good things to say of the 'yards.

I know we have a couple of folks on THR that had bad experiences with M-1 or M2 Carbines in VN. On the other hand I have known folks that used them many times in WWII and Korea that like them quite a lot.

I have been shooting them about a year short of a half century though not at war. I rather like GI carbines. It startles some folks when I tell them I would rather be armed with an M-1 Carbine in a fight than any 9x19 mm SMG or semi auto "Pistol Carbine."

About the only mod I ever wanted on an M-1 Carbine was the three legged Federal Ord "MP-40" style stock for a "Truck Gun"

All my GIs have been Inland or Winchester. I had some experience with a Commercial Universal back about 1969 that was very limited and OK but my next experience with a Universal in the late 1970's was awful. I traded it away after only a few hundred rounds of trying to make it work......and got the worst parts 1903 Springfield I ever saw. All and all a bad and loosing experience. I played with one of the Iver Johnson guns a little and liked the side folding stock, but did not shoot it enough to give any real feel for it and only used the supplied magazine.

Did a little reloading for them in the late 1970's but don't recall my load data.

The CMP site has some good load info and info on magazines.

-kBob
 
Audie Murphy, in his memoir To Hell and Back, states his preference for the M1 Carbine over the Garand, for reasons I don't remember. Given that he killed in excess of 200 enemy soldiers, his preference was likely an accurate one.

35W
 
The last rounds through my carbine were fired by my grandson. That was about a month ago. Your targets looked good for fifty yards. Next time try that 100 yard line. When I shoot that distance the peeps show me how bad my vision is! Too bad, I still like to shoot peep sights.

Mark

I failed to say mine is an Inland carbine as well.
 
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For M1 Carbine aficionados (in which, wholeheartedly, I include myself), I offer up this genius courtesy of the InRange duo: https://www.full30.com/video/b6938169fa3ea519a74137eb285aa757

Unfortunately, this is an example of the buffoonery which has haunted the M1 Carbine since the Korean War.

How many times must we hear of the Chinese soldier shot umpteen times with an M1 Carbine by an American soldier, only to skip away while singing a merry tune? Well, there's ONLY one reasonable explanation, he missed umpteen times.
 
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What most folks don't hear is stories of multiple hits from the M1 RIFLE and commies continuing to advance. In quiet talks with Korean war vets I have heard tales of as many as eight rounds delivered, and the body examined, and the enemy falling forward after all rounds were fired. Two told of four rounds and a ping and the enemy graciously fell before a reload was done.

Such stories do not however fit the .30-06 mythos of its planet stopping ability.

On the other hand I have spoken to Korea vets that used the carbine extensively and repeatedly that had few complaints.

There is the possibility that I may be getting another Carbine n the near future. My father passed last night and I am supposed to get his. I might rather have the father, but that is not an option. Dad carried an M1 Rifle and then an M3A1 SMG. While in Korea he was a victim of the weak Carbine Myth, but oddly once he was about 35 he loved the Carbines we got.

I am going to miss Dad and wish I could have gotten more of his stories.

-kBob
 

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any one who was in anything close to a fire fight, will tell you no enemy went down quick enough for them no matter what they shot them with. and that time,sound and sight are effected in different ways for different people. time slows down or speeds up, sounds either disappears or overwhelms you and your sight may turn into tunnel vision or turns into a blurr and you may get a case of brown shorts, afterwards you may sit down where you are and shake or try to understand why your not dead or wounded. and 40-50 years later you may relive the actions and still not understand what realy happened to you. DENNIS HARMON, i wish you had lived into old age instead of dieing in that hell hole called vietnam. eastbank.
 
Always a fun little rifle to shoot. You got me thinking, my own haven't seen daylight in going on 20 years. Anyway, glad you managed some time to get your's out and enjoy them. They shot well considering the rifle isn't quite a target type rifle.

Ron
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By all means, shoot them. They are a fun little rifle to shoot.
 
I carried a M1 Carbine quite often in Viet Nam in 68 & 69 and then again in 71 & 72. And they always performed very well for me. They were easy to carry and maintain and I never had any of them fail me. I still have some magazines I brought back home with me from Viet Nam and they still work without any problems. I have had a Inland M1 Carbine and a Ruger Blackhawk in 30 Carbine for many years. That I shoot quite often with no problems with either, and both are really very accurate for what they are. I have also been reloading for the 30 Carbine for many years which is very easy to do. And I find the 1/2 jacketed 100 0r 110 grain bullets works very well for Hunting or HD. My Old Inland 30 Carbine sets right by my side of the bed against the wall at night with one 30 round magazine in the rifle and another 30 rounder and flash lite on my night stand. And My Big Old Rottweiler Dog sleeps at the foot of my bed to make sure I wake up should a problem arise and I need to. I like the M1 Carbine, always have and probably always will.
ken
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Sounds like you are well protected.

I've wondered if the SP ammo feeds well in the carbine. have you tried any?
 
The last rounds through my carbine were fired by my grandson. That was about a month ago. Your targets looked good for fifty yards. Next time try that 100 yard line. When I shoot that distance the peeps show me how bad my vision is! Too bad, I still like to shoot peep sights.

Mark

I failed to say mine is an Inland carbine as well.
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I'll shoot these at 100 yards the next time I go shooting. I'll post a range report too.
 
All my GIs have been Inland or Winchester. I had some experience with a Commercial Universal back about 1969 that was very limited and OK but my next experience with a Universal in the late 1970's was awful. I traded it away after only a few hundred rounds of trying to make it work......and got the worst parts 1903 Springfield I ever saw. All and all a bad and loosing experience. I played with one of the Iver Johnson guns a little and liked the side folding stock, but did not shoot it enough to give any real feel for it and only used the supplied magazine.

Did a little reloading for them in the late 1970's but don't recall my load data.

The CMP site has some good load info and info on magazines.

-kBob
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I've got a Universal that shoots quite well...about as well as my GI carbines. But it has a stamped Oprod, which is supposed to be a weak spot. I think the earlier Universals had mostly GI parts.

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