whughett
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Suppressors are for shooters that don't want the bang heard, don't want attention drawn to the shot, for what ever reason. Just saying.
Suppressed 50 Caliber Muzzleloader
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CraigC
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Suppressors are for shooters who like to keep what's left of their hearing.
kBob
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First real suppressor I ever used was on a HS semi auto pistol set up for the old rapid fire turning target game and firing .22 short. This was in West Germany (when there were still two German nations) and the owner used it in his work. Nope, not a spy or assassin, a clock mechanic. He repaired ancient tower clocks. He said the repairs usually consisted of cleaning the rat and pidgeon nests and droppings from the works, sealing the clock room to prevent more rats and birds and moving coins that were used to adjust balance (some coins as old as the clocks them selves). In the process of doing all this he often needed to "remove" the rodentia and foul fowls. For this he used the HS pistol with gallery special shorts of the type made with bullets of pressed clay and powdered lead that shattered into powder on striking anything solid, but were quite enough to do the needed job and with the suppressor quietly enough in the heart of a European city to not frighten folks. Against our clubs back stop of old fabric bundled several feet thick over angled fire wood in ricks the action noise was louder than the report. Shooting one of the club steel target turner parts did make a bit of noise, but it did not sound anything like a gun shot, more like a hammer on steel.
Several yeas ago I asked a suppressor builder about a suppressor for a side hammer .45 or .50 BP rifle. He was of the opinion that the thing would not be worth his time to make or my time in using it. I still wondered and am curious to see some shooting and field reports on these guns.
-kBob
Several yeas ago I asked a suppressor builder about a suppressor for a side hammer .45 or .50 BP rifle. He was of the opinion that the thing would not be worth his time to make or my time in using it. I still wondered and am curious to see some shooting and field reports on these guns.
-kBob
expat_alaska
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would a Coke bottle attachment be usable to accomplish the same thing? You could call it a wad catcher or sabot snatcher!How about smoke reduction gear?
Been there and done that with .22 LR. You are not off the mark, sir. It is a one time application but very cheap. How much can a plastic soda/water bottle cost plus duct tape for each shot, especially with a .50 cal? When done with it you can put it in the recycle/garbage can and no one will no the difference.
If someone sees it on the gun you can say it is a muzzle protector from the rain.
The Gummint can only prove so much.
I really think whatever government agencies that have a problem with suppressors are wrong-thinking. They have nothing to do with criminal activity, especially if it concerns a muzzle-loading firearm. All shootings in my Pugetropolis area of Washington State have nothing to do with suppressor, legal or not.
Jim
whughett
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Maybe, not going to give you an argument either way, but with all the high tech hearing protection on the market today, suppressing any gun has ulterior motives. Pay the tax, suppress the gun,none of it any of my business.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
You get your facts from CNN? I have three suppressors and a few more on the way. I can tell you why I got into it and none of it has anything to do with your alleged "ulterior motives". I hunt my own property only during the appropriate season and couldn't give a damn less who hears what. Without coming out and saying it (I despise passive-aggressive behavior!), you're implying that people only want suppressors for nefarious purposes. For breaking the law. I resent the implication and further think that this sort of innuendo has no place on this forum. Do you know how stupid it would be to intentionally go through the process of procuring a suppressor and then using that NFA controlled item to break the law?
In Europe, where suppressors surprisingly don't have this "assassin's tool" stigma attached to them, they're unregulated and it's considered rude to hunt without one.
whughett
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It was an opinion sir, nothing more. No disparaging remarks made to any individual. An opinion on an open forum, if that rankles you as an individual I make no apologies.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
No, it's not "just an opinion". You're implying that breaking the law is the only reason people want to own a suppressor. That's extremely inflammatory and it IS disparaging to anyone owning or wanting a suppressor. Not to mention inaccurate, ignorant and divisive.
Sam1911
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As they say, "Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining."
You can't hide a disparaging remark about ALL persons who do a thing by claiming it wasn't directed toward one particular member of a group.
[Case in point]Everyone from Rhode Island/Flordia is ugly and their breath stinks. But I wasn't speaking of any individual... [/Case in point]
Ok, so its an opinion. An opinion that's either ignorant or deliberately hurtful to your fellow shooters. You literally impugned the motives for using a silencer. That speaking directly to the character of every one of us here who owns and/or uses them. It would be hard to be more insulting if you tired.
Fortunately (eh, I suppose), it does more to make you look uneducated and inexperienced than it makes any users of these devices look bad.
Pay the tax? See, if you really don't know what you're talking about, it's a fool's errand to give opinions. These devices will NOT be subject to the NFA and thus, there's no tax. That was pointed out in the very first post in the thread.
frontiergander
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with todays technology, there is plenty of hearing protection one can wear. I normally will the old style ear plugs just barely stuck in my ears and then push them in when needed. Most times i go naked as its only one shot.
Supressed muzzleloader.... WAUGH! they need to attach a fan to the front of it to blow smoke away so I can see my target sooner.
Supressed muzzleloader.... WAUGH! they need to attach a fan to the front of it to blow smoke away so I can see my target sooner.
telomerase
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Suppressors are for people who don't want legal shooting banned in their state. We don't have crime in NH, but we do have noise complaints.
frontiergander
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One thing I LOVE is that they don't show its accuracy lol. They just say, look at the 1 liter coke bottle at the end, it keep'em quiet!
Berger.Fan222
Member
Being quite is a courtesy and also an important aspect of keeping nosy neighbors out of your business.
Suggesting a criminal motive is unwarranted.
Suggesting a criminal motive is unwarranted.
expat_alaska
Member
Ever hunted with high-tech hearing protection, or even low-tech? If one is in the field/woods hunting, one must be able to hear everything around, to include fellow hunters, game, the wind, rain, et al. How can you allude to a suppressed long gun as an ulterior motive? If a shot or two are fired during a hunt, it is not a big deal IMO, but some folks don't agree, and that is where a suppressor comes in.
I still fail to see where a suppressor has an ulterior motive. Maybe a Ruger .22 MKII with one could be considered an assassin's gun, but a long gun?
I heartily disagree.
Jim
whughett
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Seems I unintentionally irritated a group pf people by expressing an opinion of a subject dear to some. It is an open forum of opinion after all.
However it is the way I feel on that subject and on others such as bump stocks. AS a Life member of the NRA, life long gun owner, hunter and collector, weekly shooter and a 35 year member of a gun club, and CWP holder I think I am as avid a 2nd amendment proponent as any on this forum.
As indicated earlier, I make no apologies for my views but in light of these responses I'll just keep such things to my self in the future. Would seem that's becoming the American way, remain quite least we piss someone off. BTW I voted fro Trump.
Sam1911
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Is it unexpected that if you declare an unethical, or even illegal, motive behind any use of a perfectly legal tool you'd be insulting those people who do use that device? How could that NOT be a slap in the face to your fellow hunters and shooters?
Perhaps then you'll listen to the counsel of your friends and fellow shooters here and re-examine you feelings. We've all believed things that turned out not to be true, and held opinions at one time or another, which we later recognize as unfounded and dead wrong. It happens. But as long as we're open to reason and introspection and logic, we can improve our own understanding and have BETTER and TRUER opinions and beliefs in the future.
Er...well...see, you just declared two 2nd Amendment issues which some of us will fight for but you apparently would denigrate and abandon. So, as a simple matter of logic (even basic math), this statement can't be true.
Maybe instead of doubling down on your habitual knee-jerk beliefs about silencers, bump-fire devices, or whatever else, you would consider listening to the arguments of your friends and fellow shooters and 2nd Amendment activists and see if maybe it's time to improve those beliefs and opinions.
You don't have to carry with you to the grave every unexamined belief or opinion that you accumulated in your youth. We all can learn and improve our understanding.
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Sam1911
Moderator Emeritus
Several responses to this:
1) Would seem that's becoming the American way: Say something insulting and then act huffy and put out if the people you just insulted don't pat you on the back and agree with you.
2) Would seem that's becoming the American way: Make up your mind about something without really understanding it, and insult anyone who doesn't believe what you believe or who tries to convince you otherwise.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, that's true. No matter how uninformed, misguided and inflammatory it might be. I think we're also entitled to a polite rebuttal with facts to counter the fiction.
whughett
Member
Would see that I have "stepped in to it" in regards to the remarks on suppressors, for which I apologize to any offended. I enjoy my daily log in and browsing the topics on the High Road, and will continue to do so , but will keep remarks pertaining to subjects deemed controversial to my self, and focus on the reason I joined the High Road forum in the first place. Entertainment and informative information on firearms, specifically black powder revolvers.
Harvey
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Sam1911
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That's fine, though I'd rather you engage with your fellow shooters and activists here and get to the bottom of why you believe what you've come to believe, and maybe consider listening to their experiences and explanations.
You don't have to retreat in order to protect a questionable set of opinions. Get them out in the light of day and see if they really make sense. You'd either figure out that they aren't good opinions worth keeping or you'd at least learn what makes other good, honest people come to completely opposite views.
An opinion isn't your identity or your worth as a person. It's just an conclusion based on impressions and ideas you developed earlier in life, or (often) were handed by others. If you look at new info and learn of new experiences and viewpoints it's manly and right and ethical to change your mind.
A strong man can say, "I was wrong."
You don't have to retreat in order to protect a questionable set of opinions. Get them out in the light of day and see if they really make sense. You'd either figure out that they aren't good opinions worth keeping or you'd at least learn what makes other good, honest people come to completely opposite views.
An opinion isn't your identity or your worth as a person. It's just an conclusion based on impressions and ideas you developed earlier in life, or (often) were handed by others. If you look at new info and learn of new experiences and viewpoints it's manly and right and ethical to change your mind.
A strong man can say, "I was wrong."
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CraigC
Sixgun Nut
Yes, there must be a reason for you to believe what you believe. Perhaps a little insight on this would get us all to a better place.
whughett
Member
No strong views one way or the other, its was a knee jerk response , ill timed and inappropriate to the thread.
kBob
Member
Meanwhile, back on topic......
Anyone even seen one of these suppressed BP guns in the flesh yet?
-kBob
Anyone even seen one of these suppressed BP guns in the flesh yet?
-kBob
goldpelican
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One in stock at my local dealer. The only application I can think of is for deer in muzzle loading season - and the only place around here to do that has a very active public range located within the hunting area with non-stop pistol, rifle and shotgun all day, so it will probably sit in stock a long time. No need to silence your 50 cal BP when there's half a dozen ARs being used at any one moment less than a mile away.
CraigC
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That's disappointing.
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