Suppressed 50 Caliber Muzzleloader

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Silencerco is offering a suppressed 50 caliber muzzleloading rifle.
I find the concept very interesting. A muzzleloader is not a firearm so the BATF says the can (silencer) is not a "silencer" since it cant be attached to a firearm if it's attached to a muzzleloader. So no tax stamp is required.
I'm NOT planning on adding one to my collection though.

It sure seems like cleaning the can would be a problem for all the folks that cry about cleaning even a plain old simple barrel.

https://silencerco.com/maxim50/
 
You can only use, according to their manual, two types of conical bullets.

Seems like an excellent poacher gun. OR, if you had several, and owned a company that would eliminate deer from public parks using night vision, quite the tool.

Yet at $1000 per rifle, you'd need a bunch of contracts to cover that expense at the beginning. Not to mention three night sights.

LD
 
I remember the AllTheFun regulating a suppressor like device on a British airgun that was imported here.

My big concern would be cleaning the thing too. If it's blackpowder, it's going to have a lot of residue coming out of that muzzle into the can.
 
How much?
A bit steep...
$999

Now if there was a bit of competition, the price might end up a few hundred bucks less.
It is a Traditions Vortek with a can
 
CraigC said:
They're not that quiet. A crossbow would be more effective.
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Not intending on sitting under grandma's window when I shoot, but much less of a noise, and I'm thinking about folks using then in "no hunt zones" where the Sheeple wouldn't necessarily recognize the sound as a gunshot. Yes a crossbow would be more effective at 30 yards or less. I'm thinking more like 75 yards.
LD
 
alsaqr said:
Some states call a muzzleloader a firearm
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Yes some do and some use the Federal definition. I don't think folks are saying that one doesn't need to check the local regs. But as far as ending up at the table marked "defendant" while sitting in a Federal courthouse..., regardless of what the state says the Feds say since it's permanently fixed on the ML, it's not a regulated firearm. Now what the state does might be something else.....

LD
 
The BATF says it's not a silencer so most of us could have one if we wanted one without jumping through any hoops. Unfortunately, some oppressive states that watch too many James Bond movies will be trying to figure out a way to ban them.
 
MLB - if that's true, I'd want one, but won't pony up $1k for it. I'd rather buy a stamp and a regular suppressor.
 
You can only use, according to their manual, two types of conical bullets.

Seems like an excellent poacher gun. OR, if you had several, and owned a company that would eliminate deer from public parks using night vision, quite the tool.

Yet at $1000 per rifle, you'd need a bunch of contracts to cover that expense at the beginning. Not to mention three night sights.

LD
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Excellent poacher gun?? Are you kidding me right now??

That is "anti" talk if I ever heard it. Maybe these would make a great assassins gun as well, huh?? :barf:

As someone else mentioned, suppressors are used in Europe all the time for hunting. They are used when closer to population centers to avoid bothering people with the report of gunshots, nothing more or less.
 
I think its a good idea. All for it. Suppressed big bore is noisy generally, though I have no experience with this one. Any suppressor is excellent to take the edge off the rifle report and minimize recoil.

Thought about doing this for a long time on my smokeless muzzleloader, but again the big bore stuff just does not seem to get as quiet as one would like, ie 4570, 45 acp, 458 socom, 510 whisper. If this came as a smokeless model I would definitely consider it !

Glad to see a company try something new and put something out that really pushes all those stupid gun grabber laws a bit. Even better when its something like this that makes them scratch their heads and have to define their terms properly lol.
 
Cooldill said:
Excellent poacher gun?? Are you kidding me right now??

That is "anti" talk if I ever heard it. Maybe these would make a great assassins gun as well, huh?? :barf:

As someone else mentioned, suppressors are used in Europe all the time for hunting. They are used when closer to population centers to avoid bothering people with the report of gunshots, nothing more or less.
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Written just like a fellow who lives and hunts in an area with lots of room.
How would you like to own 1000 acres and as time went on the surrounding farms became neighborhoods, and one day woke up to find that the government had ruled your area a "no shoot zone", and included bows, crossbows, and air rifles in that law?
OH and if you used a bow, crossbow, or a silenced ML on your land (because the government previously outlawed center fired rifles for hunting in your county) you'd be poaching, because you'd be taking game where it was prohibited.
Now you know the reality of some of us not blessed to be in Kansas.

Don't try to lecture me on "anti talk". PETA was literally HQ'd a half block from where I work for decades.

LD
 
Looks like an invention looking for a purpose.

1. One must use the sleeve thing to load: That's a pain.

2. What happens if a sabot gets crosswise in the suppressor when the round is fired?
 
Loyalist Dave said:
Written just like a fellow who lives and hunts in an area with lots of room.
How would you like to own 1000 acres and as time went on the surrounding farms became neighborhoods, and one day woke up to find that the government had ruled your area a "no shoot zone", and included bows, crossbows, and air rifles in that law?
OH and if you used a bow, crossbow, or a silenced ML on your land (because the government previously outlawed center fired rifles for hunting in your county) you'd be poaching, because you'd be taking game where it was prohibited.
Now you know the reality of some of us not blessed to be in Kansas.

Don't try to lecture me on "anti talk". PETA was literally HQ'd a half block from where I work for decades.

LD
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What the hell are you talking about, man??

You said that this gun is a good poacher's weapon because it has a suppressor. I called BS and you attack me with a nonsensical hypothetical scenario such as you describe??

Where do you get off, LOYALIST Dave??
 
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Cooldill said:
What the hell are you talking about, man??

You said that this gun is a good poacher's weapon because it has a suppressor. I called BS and you attack me with a nonsensical hypothetical scenarios such as you describe??

Where do you get off, LOYALIST Dave??
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He's just venting insofar as his area. Give him some room, please. I think we have all been in that mindset at one time or another. He is in MD, and I feel sorry for him, even if it was once a rural area. Populations increase and most of the influx is folks from the cities looking for a rural, benign (define that!) area to settle. Many city folks abhor gunshots in the their new domain. State laws sometimes redistrict large rural properties as sub-divideable smaller residential parcels with different covenants and restrictions. I only have 14 acres and things like that encroached 20 years ago, and I am in rural SW WA State.

"The Government is here to help you."

Not so much...

Jim
 
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There is a rather expensive "registration" for each suppressor you own .A friend of mine justifys using one for bird hunting in loo of ear protection.
 
44 Dave said:
There is a rather expensive "registration" for each suppressor you own .A friend of mine justifys using one for bird hunting in loo of ear protection.
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Um, try re-reading the top post. No registration, no BATFE/NFA junk because it's permanently attached to a non-firearm. Same as all the air rifles sitting on the shelf of many sporting goods stores that have suppressors permanently attached to their barrel.
 
I would like to own one but it ain't going to happen in Cuomo Land (NY governor Mario Cuomo)

A muzzleloader although legal in NY still bears the definition of GUN in the law so having the suppresser on it removable or not makes it some sort of weapon that can get you into serious trouble.
 
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would a Coke bottle attachment be usable to accomplish the same thing? You could call it a wad catcher or sabot snatcher! :) How about smoke reduction gear?
 
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