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I’m not certain about it, but I believe the high fence guys can buy them too for hunting.

It's only legal to buy boars for hunting. Outside of people that are purely trophy hunting, Sows are always the primary targets anyways. Sows with shoats are a bonus prize.

You are only supposed to be able to buy boars if you have hog proof fencing. We have high fence around our property, and it sure isn't hog proof. We get hogs pushing under form our neighbors property all the time. Heck, we found a boar running around once with one of our conibear traps on it's head.
 
https://mdc.mo.gov/newsroom/mdc-and...ore-6500-feral-hogs-missouri’s-landscape-2017

McLain said feral hogs present potential for diseases to spread to humans, pets and livestock and that he hopes the message that hunting is not an effective method for eliminating feral hog populations is starting to catch on.

“For over 20 years, unregulated take of feral hogs was allowed in Missouri, during which time our feral hog population expanded from a few counties to over 30 counties,” he said.

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Steven Rinella is not a big government fan and neither am I. But I recommend giving this a listen for a nuanced view of this issue!
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/meateater-podcast/id960902903?mt=2&i=1000410859712
 
McLain said feral hogs present potential for diseases to spread to humans, pets and livestock and that he hopes the message that hunting is not an effective method for eliminating feral hog populations is starting to catch on.

“For over 20 years, unregulated take of feral hogs was allowed in Missouri, during which time our feral hog population expanded from a few counties to over 30 counties,” he said.

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My god, the analytical portion of my brain just attempted to commit seppuku after realizing that a living, thinking (allegedly) human had to be responsible for making those statements. There are so many things wrong with the logic presented there.

1st: No one, and I mean no one is saying that hunting ALONE will cure the hog problem. Which conversely, only an idiot would proclaim that hunting alone isn't solving the hog problem.

2nd: Any statements regarding the effectiveness of hunting are entirely useless without any information regarding how many people are participating in hog hunting in Missouri, much less how much land is open to hunting or even being actively hunted.

3rd: Any discussion of an alternative program to hunting that also doesn't discuss how much land is open to use of that method, and actively using that method, is equally useless. You cold have the ultimate hog solution, but if it can only be deployed in 1% of the state, it's useless.

4th: Even though hunting alone can not eliminate the hog problem, eliminating the ability to shoot hogs on sight sure as heck won't help the problem either. Hogs travel a long distance. If you wait from the time a hog is spotted until someone can come out and set up traps, the hogs are in the next county.

5th: Assuming that at some point in the last 20 years, hogs have been trapped in Missouri, that gentlemen's logic also makes an excellent example that trapping isn't a viable solution... assuming that is, anyone actually gave credence to his logic.

6th: See point 1 again for emphasis.

Then again, you are quoting an article that brags about eliminating 6500 hogs. Meanwhile, here, 34,000 hogs were killed from helicopters alone last year. Good job Missouri, you managed to spend tax dollars to eliminate 1/5 of what we got people to actually pay to do. So... Government action, 1/5 as effective as Capitalism.

The article also contains this bit of idiocy:

" He said more landowners are starting to understand, and are seeing, that hunting feral hogs pushes them onto neighboring property, which causes problems for their neighbors. When neighboring landowners try to control feral hogs through hunting, the hogs simply travel back and forth between the properties, escape and cause more damage. "

Lol. Seriously. It's hilarious to see a state wildlife agency that has absolutely zero clue. Hogs already do that. Hogs naturally roam huge areas. They are traveling onto your neighbors property because that is what they do. Hogs will have a home range that is more than a thousand acres.
 
Read the linked article by the Missouri Wildlife Department.

1. Hog expert Mark McLain forgot to mention that his charter covers only a small portion of Missouri. Only MDC, LAD Foundation and US Corps of Engineers land is covered.

2. He talks of "eradicating hogs". Yeah, right.

3. Every hog the trap misses is trap shy for life.

4. None of these experts talk about hog hunting ranches. Most of these places have inadequate fencing. They are responsible for some of the spread of wild hogs to new areas.

Couple of years ago the OK Department of Agriculture did some good stuff:

1. No new hog hunting ranches will be licensed.

2. Clients at existing hog hunting ranches are required to buy a hog hunting license.

3. Folks transporting wild hogs are required to have a transport license.

4. Prior to transporting wild hogs the licensed transporter must obtain a transportation permit good for 24 hours. Place of departure and destination are required.

5. Licensed transporters must leave hogs on trailers until they are transported. "Holding pens" are no longer allowed.

6. Landowners are authorized to shoot wild hogs at night with a permit.

Recently talked with a man who shoots hogs from the air. He says wild hogs are becoming savvy about helicopters; some hogs simply refuse to cover.
 
Lol. Seriously. It's hilarious to see a state wildlife agency that has absolutely zero clue. Hogs already do that. Hogs naturally roam huge areas. They are traveling onto your neighbors property because that is what they do. Hogs will have a home range that is more than a thousand acres.

During our 2010-2015 drought i encountered a sounder of hogs i often seen in an area 25 miles west of that location. That sounder of 55-60 hogs had several with distinct markings. i killed several from that sounder at their new location.
 
I am not trying to be silly; but do these things not work on hogs:
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The practically grow in Northern California (Siskiyou and Modoc areas). I remember these things from a High School Outdoor/Wilderness class, "it doesn't matter what is happening, you never touch one of these!"

Yes, I have also seen them in the wild. They are hammered into the ground, then when the top is disturbed a cyanide filled cartridge fires. Yes, for all intents and purposes, small landmines.

I just realized that the one I linked to, while easy to find, is not quite the type I am familiar with.
 
I am not trying to be silly; but do these things not work on hogs:
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The practically grow in Northern California (Siskiyou and Modoc areas). I remember these things from a High School Outdoor/Wilderness class, "it doesn't matter what is happening, you never touch one of these!"

Yes, I have also seen them in the wild. They are hammered into the ground, then when the top is disturbed a cyanide filled cartridge fires. Yes, for all intents and purposes, small landmines.

I just realized that the one I linked to, while easy to find, is not quite the type I am familiar with.

Ranchers used those things on the red wolves in SE Texas when I was growing up. My mom would warn me not to mess with 'em. I had permission on a large coastal ranch to pass shoot geese and she worried about me. I never saw one, but I was always on the lookout.

Cyanide never hurt the red wolf population in coastal Texas. What finally killed 'em off was the coyote. The coyote didn't exist in coastal Texas when I was a kid. They moved east, took over the red wolf's habitat and interbred with the red wolf to the point that pure red wolf genotype was soon extinct in this part of the world. All the cyanide traps did was create a hazard for young hunters like me and make moms worry. I'm sure they killed their fair share of other game and small animals, too.
 
I'm assuming you farm, If all the land owner's around you aren't trying to control
the hogs, it's an up hill battle. One of my nabors
bought a drone with a thermo camera with GPS. I go with them on some weekends .
We all have thermo scopes , and ben killing
lots of hog . With the drone he is able to
find hogs just about any time .
 
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Lots of good stuff here (and some... uh, honorable mention...)

One thing caught my eye: putting out birth control for the pigs.

No, not rounding them up to go to Planned Parenthood.

*facepalm*

I remember reading an article as a kid about research to control population of certain insects by synthesizing the the hormones that keep them in the pupal stage, and that the author of the article claimed that it was very species-specific.

Wondering if similar research to find a species-specific hormone or chemical that would taget only swine and disrupt either the reproduction or (even better) just flat-out kill 'em has been considered.
 
Have you seen the big leg snares for hogs? I think it’s a bear trap that is modified. Basically the bear trap has a bar on it to hold a snare cable. When the hog trips it, it throws the snare way up high over his “knee”. You just need the snare tied to something really good and not your fence, a big one will ruin your fence. Put them in a trail and see what happens. Usually if you disrupt their trail they will find a new way. You can dang near banish them from your property if you put enough pressure on them.

You’ll have to shoot it to get it off the snare or have someone with dogs catch it. It won’t be good to eat though.

You can also train them to a deer feeder on a timer. Make a horse shoe around it out of hog panels, tighten the exit after they are used to it.

I had an idea when I was in college to add a swinging door to the horse shoe (like a 12’ or so one) and prop it on a fairly large pipe. Then lay wait and shoot the pipe out of the door when it’s full. Load them up and count the cash! Never got around to it. But I need to. Kinda like a poor mans version of those automatic traps.


I catch a deer now and again in my box trap. I'd hate to catch a deer in a snare. It'd likely damage a joint or bone and even if it didn't, I wouldn't wanna have to turn a deer loose from a snare, not a big buck at least.
 
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