Finally the truth, Joe Biden admits he wants to confiscate guns - "BINGO"

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Your beloved Trump is doing the same thing that the antigun politicians are doing.
No he isn't, but since you don't like his politics you continue to tell people he is as anti gun as the ones climbing the mountain to preach gun control and tell us with no doubt they want our guns.

Leave politics out of it, besides 2a, and it is clear who is after the guns.
 
No he isn't, but since you don't like his politics you continue to tell people he is as anti gun as the ones climbing the mountain to preach gun control and tell us with no doubt they want our guns.

Leave politics out of it, besides 2a, and it is clear who is after the guns.

Thank you for that. You have a lot of patience with these leftist 2A wrecking moles.
 
So, the thread about Ivanka Trump calling congressmen about gun control was closed because it was about “politics”, but I guess this thread isn’t???
 
So, the thread about Ivanka Trump calling congressmen about gun control was closed because it was about “politics”, but I guess this thread isn’t???
This thread is about Joe Biden and other Democrat candidates coming out admitting their full intent of gun confiscation which is directly related to RKBA requirement of THR and discussing what we can do to counter that attack - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?pages/code-of-conduct/

"1. All topics and posts must be related to firearms or 'Right to Keep and Bear Arms' (RKBA) issues."

Threads usually get closed by moderators when they drift off RKBA topic and/or become political and Administrator Robert posted, "Politics ..." with the closure of the thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...about-gun-control.854890/page-4#post-11206088
 
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The question that only you can answer for yourself is what will you do when they come; how far are you willing to go when they come? The 2A was written for when they come; again, you were given the 2A to respond, so how will you respond? I smell fear, not of them coming but fear of your gut reality to respond. The 2A has done exactly as it was designed to this point in time - what will you do when they come?
 
Sadly, Beto O'Rourke came out for confiscation yesterday. Scratch him off the list. He's actually outdoing Swalwell (and Swalwell got nowhere with his extreme antigun platform).

Specifically, O'Rourke is calling for a ban on the manufacture, sale, and possession of "assault weapons," a mandatory buyback of "assault rifles," and a voluntary buyback of pistols.

In addition, he ruled out a run for the Senate from Texas. The guy is toast. (This was an act of political self-immolation. And, being from Texas, I think he knows it. This was deliberate. He decided to go out "in a blaze of glory.")
 
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IMHO the anti gun politicians believe they have enough support from the American public to actually say what is on their minds about their anti gun agenda. They do not fear the NRA nor do they respect us the people who own guns.
 
If a thread goes off on political issues other than the RKBA, it gets shut. That usually happens.
 
And that’s the “pickle” we find ourselves in. The POTUS last night said “...love me or hate me, you gotta vote for me...” he was speaking on economic terms at that point but we know where we are on the issue here.

Going, going, gone or just gone.
 
IMHO the anti gun politicians believe they have enough support from the American public to actually say what is on their minds about their anti gun agenda. They do not fear the NRA nor do they respect us the people who own guns.
This is quite telling. These antigun politicians are basing their actions on extensive polling, etc. But they're in danger of overplaying their hand. The public generally agrees that "something" must be done about guns, but it doesn't agree on specifics like gun confiscation. The antigunners are about to be caught in a trap of their own making.
 
This is quite telling. These antigun politicians are basing their actions on extensive polling, etc. But they're in danger of overplaying their hand. The public generally agrees that "something" must be done about guns, but it doesn't agree on specifics like gun confiscation. The antigunners are about to be caught in a trap of their own making.

Absolutely, but remember that those who conduct and distribute those polls have an agenda.

Many pollsters claim that __% (usually a large #) of NRA members are in favor of_________ (whatever anti gun agenda they are pushing today!) That is an out and out lie, because NRA releases membership lists TO NO ONE; not even in house. ( I know this first hand because, as chairman for a Friends of NRA committee, I wanted to send a mailing out to all NRA members in the area and was refused access to the list. The mailing was made, but we had to submit the item to be mailed to NRA and NRA mailed the flier.)

I agree, any politician can say they support our beloved 2nd Amendment to get elected, and then do a 180* turn and support gun control, but President Trump is known to bust his buttons trying to follow through on his promises.

I'd rather trust my 2A rights to President Trump, who promises to protect them than to the thundering herd shouting, "Ban assault rifles", "Mandatory buyback", "No one should have these weapons.....etc, etc, etc!"

For those who did not see the NH rally last night, I did, and you should have heard the crowd cheering when he promised he would protect the 2A. I'd rather base my opinion as to the support for gun control on the thundering applause supporting 2A than any poll w/questionable pedigree, but that's just me.

President Donald Trump @ NH rally, 15 Aug, from Newsweek article:
"It's not the gun that pulls the trigger, it's the person holding the gun," he added, prompting loud applause from the crowd.
Trump went on to stress the need to keep guns away from people suffering from mental illness, before promising that his administration would tackle gun violence by "building new [mental] facilities."

Trump went on to stress the need to keep guns away from people suffering from mental illness, before promising that his administration would tackle gun violence by "building new [mental] facilities."

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-vows...hire-rally-not-gun-that-pulls-trigger-1454656

ETA: Corrected Newsweek quote. My computer is acting up and when cut and paste sometimes grabs a word or words and inserts them other than where they were orriginally as it did w/the word "applause" in Newsweek quote.
Regards.
hps
 
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Many pollsters claim that __% (usually a large #) of NRA members are in favor of_________ (whatever anti gun agenda they are pushing today!) That is an out and out lie, because NRA releases membership lists TO NO ONE; not even in house. ( I know this first hand because, as chairman for a Friends of NRA committee, I wanted to send a mailing out to all NRA members in the area and was refused access to the list. The mailing was made, but we had to submit the item to be mailed to NRA and NRA mailed the flier.)
They're not polling "NRA members" from a list; they're polling the general public and one of the questions asked is if the respondent is an NRA member. Pollsters establish the demographics from a series of qualifying questions -- age, sex, race, social memberships, etc. -- and then adjust the results of the poll by comparing the poll demographics to the known demographics of the population. The methodology has been refined over many, many years. That's why a national sample of about 1,000 people, picked randomly, can give valid results.
 
They're not polling "NRA members" from a list; they're polling the general public and one of the questions asked is if the respondent is an NRA member. Pollsters establish the demographics from a series of qualifying questions -- age, sex, race, social memberships, etc. -- and then adjust the results of the poll by comparing the poll demographics to the known demographics of the population. The methodology has been refined over many, many years. That's why a national sample of about 1,000 people, picked randomly, can give valid results.

That's their story; personally, I'm skeptical. I'm 83 years old and, although I can count on one hand the number of times I have been "polled", I have NEVER been asked any qualifying questions, only what my opinion was; so, based on my limited personal experience, I find it difficult to believe they can accurately guestimate percentages of NRA membership, etc.

Ummm, speaking of polls, how did the polls work out in 2016?:D

Regards,
hps
 
Ummm, speaking of polls, how did the polls work out in 2016?
Actually, they came very close, if you consider the national popular vote. They were wrong on the Electoral College result, because of less than 80,000 votes in three states.
 
This is quite telling. These antigun politicians are basing their actions on extensive polling, etc. But they're in danger of overplaying their hand. The public generally agrees that "something" must be done about guns, but it doesn't agree on specifics like gun confiscation. The antigunners are about to be caught in a trap of their own making.

In order to gain any traction they have to play to their base which has moved incredibly far to the left on every issue.

I do not think they are even considering what the majority of the country wants
 
They're not polling "NRA members" from a list; they're polling the general public and one of the questions asked is if the respondent is an NRA member. Pollsters establish the demographics from a series of qualifying questions -- age, sex, race, social memberships, etc. -- and then adjust the results of the poll by comparing the poll demographics to the known demographics of the population. The methodology has been refined over many, many years. That's why a national sample of about 1,000 people, picked randomly, can give valid results.

Do we know the percent of NRA members in the polls represents the true percent of actual members in America?
Also, remember the old bromide from Confucius; "he who determines the question determines the answer."

Even if all that is being done well and scientifically, I despise the idea that our rights are determined by polls and pollsters and the approval of many uninformed people.

We are the sheep and the wolves out there are voting on what's for lunch, people.
 
This thread is about Joe Biden and other Democrat candidates coming out admitting their full intent of gun confiscation which is directly related to RKBA requirement of THR and discussing what we can do to counter that attack - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?pages/code-of-conduct/

"1. All topics and posts must be related to firearms or 'Right to Keep and Bear Arms' (RKBA) issues."

Threads usually get closed by moderators when they drift off RKBA topic and/or become political and Administrator Robert posted, "Politics ..." with the closure of the thread - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...about-gun-control.854890/page-4#post-11206088
If a thread goes off on political issues other than the RKBA, it gets shut. That usually happens.
So while it may be difficult, let's keep the focus on the OP and RKBA.

Thank you all.


I'll be perfectly happy to hand in every assault weapon I own. And I'll keep my semi-auto AR15.
Not me. I own a registered "Assault Weapon" (Bushmaster) which is a semi-auto AR15. CA deemed it "Assault Weapon" arbitrarily simply due to "brand name and model". Of course, I own other semi-auto AR15s that are "CA legal" and not considered "Assault Weapon".

This shows how silly the anti-gun law makers have become and why judge Benitez eloquently stated "arbitrarily" classifying firearms is in violation of the Second Amendment and ruled against CA's ban on larger capacity than 10 round magazines - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/there-is-life.854963/#post-11206537

"'California's law prohibiting acquisition and possession of magazines able to hold any more than 10 rounds places a severe restriction on the core right of self-defense of the home such that it amounts to a destruction of the right and is unconstitutional under any level of scrutiny.'

... In 2008, Supreme Court held that the Second Amendment applies to arms in common use for lawful purposes. Benitez notes thathighly popular firearms owned by millions of Americans, such as the Glock 17 pistol, the Ruger 10/22 rifle, and the AR-15 rifle, come equipped with magazines that exceed California's arbitrary limit ... 'Millions of ammunition magazines able to hold more than 10 rounds are in common use by law-abiding responsible citizens for lawful uses like self-defense ... This is enough to decide that a magazine able to hold more than 10 rounds passes the Heller test and is protected by the Second Amendment.'"

"he also concludes that California's ban on 'large capacity magazines' (LCMs) fails 'strict scrutiny,' which requires the government to prove that the law is narrowly tailored to achieve a compelling state interest, and even 'intermediate scrutiny,' which requires that the law be substantially related to an important state interest. The LCM ban 'burdens the core of the Second Amendment by criminalizing the acquisition and possession of these magazines that are commonly held by law-abiding citizens for defense of self, home ... It also fails the strict scrutiny test because the statute is not narrowly tailored—it is not tailored at all. Even under the more forgiving test of intermediate scrutiny, the statute fails because it is not a reasonable fit.'"

"Benitez emphasizes that the avowed aim of the LCM ban—reducing the lethality of mass shootings—is related to a small subset of 'extremely rare' crimes: cases where the need to switch magazines creates a 'critical pause' during which the perpetrator might be overpowered or his victims might escape. Defensive uses of guns are far more common, and at the beginning of his ruling Benitez describes several cases in which having more than 10 rounds could have made a critical difference. 'From the perspective of a victim trying to defend her home and family, the time required to re-load a pistol after the tenth shot might be called a 'lethal pause,' as it typically takes a victim much longer to re-load (if they can do it at all) than a perpetrator planning an attack. In other words, the re-loading 'pause' the State seeks in hopes of stopping a mass shooter also tends to create an even more dangerous time for every victim who must try to defend herself with a small-capacity magazine.

'When thousands of people are rioting, as happened in Los Angeles in 1992, or more recently with Antifa members in Berkeley in 2017, a 10-round limit for self-defense is a severe burden. When a group of armed burglars break into a citizen's home at night, and the homeowner in pajamas must choose between using their left hand to grab either a telephone, a flashlight, or an extra 10-round magazine, the burden is severe. When one is far from help in a sparsely populated part of the state, and law enforcement may not be able to respond in a timely manner, the burden of a 10-round limit is severe. When a major earthquake causes power outages, gas and water line ruptures, collapsed bridges and buildings, and chaos, the burden of a 10-round magazine limit is severe. When food distribution channels are disrupted and sustenance becomes scarce while criminals run rampant, the burden of a 10-round magazine limit is severe. Surely, the rights protected by the Second Amendment are not to be trimmed away as unnecessary because today's litigation happens during the best of times. It may be the best of times in Sunnyvale; it may be the worst of times in Bombay Beach or Potrero. California's ban covers the entire state at all times.'

Proposition 63, which required heretofore legal owners of pre-2000 LCMs to surrender them, remove them from the state, or sell them to licensed gun dealers, passed in 2016 with support from 63 percent of voters. But constitutional rights are not subject to majority approval. 'Constitutional rights stand through time holding fast through the ebb and flow of current controversy. Bad political ideas cannot be stopped by criminalizing bad political speech. Crime waves cannot be broken with warrantless searches and unreasonable seizures. Neither can the government response to a few mad men with guns and ammunition be a law that turns millions of responsible, law-abiding people trying to protect themselves into criminals. Yet this is the effect of California's large-capacity magazine law.'"
 
And here's the lawsuit filed yesterday to challenge "Assault Weapon" ban by CRPA/NRA - https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-08-15/california-assault-weapons-lawsuit

"[California Rifle & Pistol Association] sued Thursday to block California from enforcing its assault weapons ban, contending it violates the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms."

I do not want law makers who make their decisions based on their agendas and the latest polling results. I want law makers who make their decision based on the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
 
Oh yes use NFA, and there are how many suppressor on the NFA registry?
Way, more, probably up to a thousand times as many now compared to before putting them on NFA and most of those have been added in the last 20 years.
There are 1.3 million on there now, a few years ago it was 1 million.
So much for taxing them out of existence.
The tax collected on suppressors was suppressing for a long time and would continue to be if the tax amount changed with inflation. $200 in 1934 is thousands today. I'm sure her plan isn't to tax anything new at $200.
 
This is quite telling. These antigun politicians are basing their actions on extensive polling, etc. But they're in danger of overplaying their hand. The public generally agrees that "something" must be done about guns, but it doesn't agree on specifics like gun confiscation. The antigunners are about to be caught in a trap of their own making.

Very true. Give them enough rope..........when will the anti's understand that, as stated in this intuitive post from another forum, no matter how many gun laws they pass, it will not end man's propensity for violence; he will simply find another tool:

"I think Joe Biden said it best in a recent quote, "we chose truth over
facts." I do not think that is a Joe-ism, I think that they really do choose "truth" over facts. Truth is what you make it. But facts are facts.

The left, or anti-gunners of any persuasion for that matter have a problem with correlation and causation.

FACT: You cannot have "gun" violence without a gun.
FACT: Guns do not CAUSE gun violence.

Yes, there is a correlation with guns and gun violence and that is the use of the gun in the violent act. Removing the gun does NOTHING to stop violence, only gun violence. That is a correlation. Effecting one variable does not necessarily mean that the other variable will be equally effected.

There are many, debatable possible causations for gun violence and THOSE are what need to be examined. THAT is what freaks out the left. With so many possible variables causing violence how can we ever stop it? The short answer is, you can't. Violence is rooted in human behavior. You will NEVER be able to fully stop violence. So what if you remove guns, you cannot and will not stop violence. Because guns do not cause violence.

Or could there be a more nefarious motivation behind the efforts?

Regards,
hps
 
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