Has anyone built a Ferguson Flintlock Rifle?

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8 shots a minute? That was definately a force multiply for its time. What was the rate of fire for the Brown Bess 3 shots maybe 4?

A force multiplier..., for about 2 minutes ;)
while the Bess would shoot pretty much all day at 3-4 shots per minute. Note that the fellow in the timed firing is only shooting for time, not to actually aim at anything. The other thing is, especially with the British powder of the era, the screw and block portion of the action would need regular cleaning, so you might get say three minutes of four well-aimed-shots per minute, before the rifle would be out of action, for some wiping and brushing. It's real advantage was the fact that the ball was forced onto the rifling rather than using a patch, so had much better velocity, and the fact that it could be loaded from a prone position.

LD
 
That's an excellent point, I also read somewhere that sometimes the ball could work back into the powder chamber while the rifle was being carried, while running or on horseback and allow the powder to trickle past and down the barrel. If this actually did happen, I have no idea if it's possible, it could be really embarrassing for the guy pulling the trigger.
 
A force multiplier..., for about 2 minutes ;)
while the Bess would shoot pretty much all day at 3-4 shots per minute. Note that the fellow in the timed firing is only shooting for time, not to actually aim at anything. The other thing is, especially with the British powder of the era, the screw and block portion of the action would need regular cleaning, so you might get say three minutes of four well-aimed-shots per minute, before the rifle would be out of action, for some wiping and brushing. It's real advantage was the fact that the ball was forced onto the rifling rather than using a patch, so had much better velocity, and the fact that it could be loaded from a prone position.

LD

Is there an article, post, or video discussing this limitation somewhere?
 
Is there an article, post, or video discussing this limitation somewhere?
Not that I know of. I know (or knew it's been some years) a fellow who has one of the Narragansett repros, and saw him doing a firing demonstration for accuracy as well as number of rounds. The idea was how many rounds before he had to clean the thing. The rifle action was very fouled by the 12th shot, which was approaching 3 minutes firing time. He did however, demonstrate the ease of loading when one was prone.



LD
 
and yet folks using proper lubes from the time, the correct bullet and the type pf powder Fergusen specified have duplicated both the 68 rounds test and the 7 rounds on a chest sized target at 100 yards in a minute...

-kBob
 
I love how folks think the designer's specifications for the perfect world, and the real world are the same thing....,:D... like targets = combat, and the Government didn't change the powder in the military ammo for the M16 against Stoner's recommendations, as a modern example. ;) I sure running around the frontier of the Carolina's the fine rifle powder would be in great supply..., in PA too....

LD
 
Well, one way or another Qweevox did an outstanding job on his version. Since it's not being fired like a Hollywood lever action I don't think the fouling is a huge issue.
 
Well, one way or another Qweevox did an outstanding job on his version. Since it's not being fired like a Hollywood lever action I don't think the fouling is a huge issue.

As much as I'd liked to actually have done it, I'm afraid you mean SC45-70. He is the one who built his own version of the rifle, and posted some of the construction photos. I haven't the skill. I just started to lust after the rifle some years ago after someone on another forum posted pictures of it.
 
actually it was the special powder and ball used by British troops armed with the shorter small caliber carbines and there are records of him ordering and getting the powder and shot including in Charleston.

most folks even use the wrong ball in their repro Fergusons and use musket powder, neither of which he did

Gee maybe the $9.99 investment in that Kindle edition book was not that bad.....

-kBob
 
Well, one way or another Qweevox did an outstanding job on his version. Since it's not being fired like a Hollywood lever action I don't think the fouling is a huge issue.

The breech screw don't foul very bad ( at least on mine). After the first shot the breech screw turns slightly harder than it does on a clean breech.
I've fired 25 shots without cleaning the breech screw and the 25'th time the breech didn't turn any harder than on the 2'nd. As you work the screw it kind of self cleans. A little bit of lube on the threads go's a long way.

You don't have to remove the breech screw from the gun to clean it in the field. Open the breech 1 1/2 turns splash a small bit of water on the threads, wipe it dry, put a little lube on it and you are good to go.

SC45-70
 
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actually it was the special powder and ball used by British troops armed with the shorter small caliber carbines and there are records of him ordering and getting the powder and shot including in Charleston.

most folks even use the wrong ball in their repro Fergusons and use musket powder, neither of which he did

Gee maybe the $9.99 investment in that Kindle edition book was not that bad.....

-kBob

I'm going to buy that book. Thanks for letting me know about it. But before I do, what kind of powder did Ferguson recommend?
 
I believe he called it polished powder and it was the powder used in the Brit military carbines

-kBob

That's interesting. From what I've read "polished gunpowder" was a process after corning where they tumbled the dry grains using graphite in silk tumblers to seal the grains and reduce dust. I've absolutely no idea how to replicate this today. But the article I read said they did this to make the gunpowder safer, not to make it fire cleaner.

So, I can't think of reason this would effect the action of the rifle. Maybe someone else knows more on the subject.

These days, when I make my black powder I use an aluminum die I had made by a member on another forum. I use a hydraulic press to compress my comp into solid pucks. I allow those to dry thoroughly and then break them up and run them through a ceramic coffee grinder. But I use to corn my powder using comp with dextrin added to bind the grains together. I'd run that through whatever mesh I wanted to grade it out.

I wonder if the dextrin powder would be better for the Ferguson's action. Of course I can't think of a reason it would matter. I've used both methods and never noticed one being cleaner than the other.

EDIT TO ADD: Graphite is a dry lubricant....that might explain why it works. I wonder if adding some graphite to black powder would improve the performance of revolvers. ....interesting.
 
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I remember reading in the American Rifleman, of a fellow in Dearborn Michigan who was demonstrating a Ferguson Rifle (not sure if original or reproduction) back in the seventies. The first day did not go well with the screw sticking and dragging. The next day it ran smoothly for many shots. The first day was dry and hot, the second day was cooler, damp and drizzly. They attributed the success to the additional moisture.

Kevin
 
Feel free to ask any questions.

Wanna build another one?:D:D:D

Just kidding. I can't afford it but have always been fascinated by these rifles. You did a great job. Wish I could do that. My dad could. He was a master machinist. I worked in his machine shop for many years but was just a machine operator.:(
 


This was a very interesting video on the rifle, I thought I might put it here for others to see.
 


Great video on the history of the rifle. In this video, as well as the one above they explain a couple of flaws with the design.

In this video by Forgotten Weapons, he says one major flaw with the design was not making up for the wood removed from the stock for the breech plug screw. It made the stock somewhat weak and states that almost all the examples of the rifle show repairs to the area. The stocks would break in the area above the trigger and the breech screw.

In the video in the post above, they talk about the breech plug screw being unique to each gun. They weren't interchangeable, and if you unscrewed the plug all the way you had to know your rifle to get it back correctly. ....so, those are a couple of flaws with the design.
 
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