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I wonder how much money that Wal-Mart takes in from it’s customers they are going to use in their push for “common sense” gun control?
When you come to my house, you play by my rules. It really is that simple.
Thats actually not the case. I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. (I have to smile using that quote!)Septin' your house is PRIVATE while a store is PUBLIC and that store may be stompin' on my second amendment rights by restricting my carry.
A "request" not to open carry is an entirely different thing.
Doubtful.Could the folks hurt or the estate of those killed in the walmart shooting sue walmart for not providing adequate protection?
Thy also would have 2 mitigating factors locally.We've discussed suing for inadequate protection before and the general answer is no. Not a lawyer, but unless there is a very, very specific threat of violence, institutions are not responsible for third party actions. Our lawyers can correct me but that's what I took away from previous posts. Every store in the country would have to provide armed guards if otherwise - that is not going to happen.
The police do not have a responsibility to protect you, why should a store?
Correct.
Walmart isn’t the government, it’s not subject to Second Amendment case law, it’s at liberty to enact any gun policy it so desires, patrons are at liberty to respond as they see fit.
Walmart isn’t doing anything ‘against’ gun owners, no rights are being violated, gun owners are not being discriminated against.
It’s not incumbent upon Walmart to find ‘middle ground.’
Why is this being debated to death.??
Wal Mart or any other store is Private Property. They can request that no one open carry. Period. Just like a Bank or a Dr office or Hospital
If they do not want to sell ammo or guns again it is there choice. They are the digest retailer in the World, They do not need gun and ammo sales Period!
Don't shop there, its not gonna change their bottom line one cent.
I could care less as I avoid WalMart as much as possible, I dislike the place. When Sam Walton was around it was a different place. Hell in out stories no one speaks English (customers and staff) they have nothing I want or need.
We shop at Costco and Publix. I don't go to Sams it is just a big WalMart,
Gun Owners are not a Protected Class like the whole Cake Baking nonsense
If I owned a retail store and said no guns then stay out!
If gun carrying to protect yourself can be seen as a basic right that overrides property rights, one might have a case. One can argue that when you open a business to the public, you give up rights you might have for your home. After all, in a restaurant you must follow health rules. If you are open to the public, you expect the public to pay taxes that afford you police protection and fire protection. Why then do you deny folks the right of self-protection?
As far as the protected classes, we don't want to go there by saying that we should not have such anti-discrimination laws. We should expand the protection to gun carrying in public businesses. That would be the better comparison.
A national trainer (won't say who, if I got this wrong) says: You usually cannot shoot someone over property (TX has some very specific and special circumstances that relate to the property being crucial to life), life trumps property. Thus, why does your property rights in a business that you decided to open to the public trump my right to my life and self-defense?
Balancing the role of property and lethal force is a common debate in the legal literature on the use of lethal force.
BTW, just saying it is your 'castle' is emotional, primate, territoriality - you need a rational basis for the policy.
I think WM regards ammo as a loss leader and they make very little if anything on the net side of things. If you're in there to buy some cheap ammo,maybe you'll pick up a box fan.Ammo is very low margin. Compared to the chinese made box fan or other plastic junk I’m surprised they will carry it at all.
Shotgun shells are particularly low margin. The cost to ship them makes them basically a loss margin at wholesale.
Makes sense, every Walmart I've been in, the sporting goods dept. is in the far corner, you have to pass through most of the store to get there. Sort of like milk in supermarkets.I think WM regards ammo as a loss leader and they make very little if anything on the net side of things. If you're in there to buy some cheap ammo,maybe you'll pick up a box fan.
So, now if gun owners won't need to walk through the store to get ammo, Walmart will lose out on additional higher profit margin product sales that may catch gun owners's eyes on their way to get ammo. And ammunition manufacturers will offer volume discounts to other vendors who sell "handgun" ammunition and thus price of Walmart "non handgun" ammunition will go up.Makes sense, every Walmart I've been in, the sporting goods dept. is in the far corner, you have to pass through most of the store to get there. Sort of like milk in supermarkets.I think WM regards ammo as a loss leader and they make very little if anything on the net side of things. If you're in there to buy some cheap ammo,maybe you'll pick up a box fan.
The big question is for gun owners who bought handgun ammunition from Walmart for years. Where will they shop for handgun ammunition now?I haven't bought ammunition from them in years.
I personally shop at Walmart regularly. I haven't bought ammunition from them in years. I will continue to shop at Walmart. I spend more money at Walmart and Sam's Club combined in month than all the other stores combined on a bi-annual basis. I will not boycott WM because of an open carry policy, but I don't like their decision not to carry certain ammunition.