Can we dispel the whole "Glock Grip Angle" nonsense already?

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Grip angle, hell, I just don’t like the pistol at all. Nothing about it, I’m old enough to have experience with them from day one. My oldest son had purchased one in the earl days from a cop buddy who didn’t like it. It’s still in the house. I bought a 21 the day A local FFL could get his hands on one. It went when it wouldn’t group cast bullets worth a damn.
IMO they, like some many products in our society are successful due to marketing hype. Give me 1911’s style any day.
 
Last point...my wife and adult daughters all prefer different vehicles. One drives an Accord, one a Toyota Corolla, the other a Forrester, I drive a 3/4 ton 4 door pickup. They all prefer their own car, but I make sure all can drive my truck fine. This gives them experience and confidence to handle other vehicles. And both daughters learned to drive on a manual transmission.

likewise, they all have gun preferences, but all can safely and effectively (at least at SD range) all firearms in my house to include pump and semi shotguns, AR’s, and handguns.

they choose to shoot their favorites most of the time, but I think it’s good for them to understand and be capable of operating any gun the may come across, to at least be able to handle it (four rules) and unload it,

Again, YMMV.
 
Trey Veston said:
I really hope people realize this thread was created mostly in jest. I just like to poke fun at some of the common themes that "gun people" like to latch onto and tend to get a bit overzealous about.
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Kind of like all the comments with ...

"The awful, backwards operating Beretta 92FS safety will get you killed on the streets"

"A carry gun with a manual safety will get you killed on the streets"

"A revolver as a carry gun will get you killed on the streets"

"A gun with two different trigger pulls will get you killed on the streets"

"If you use the slide stop to release the slide you'll get killed on the streets"

"If your carry gun doesn't have a mounted light you'll get killed on the streets"

"If your carry gun doesn't have night sights you'll get killed on the streets"

"If your carry gun doesn't have a minimum capacity of 15 rounds you'll get killed on the streets"

"You can't conceal a gun that is taller than 5"
 
This is really, really simple.
  • There are a wide range of grip angles that all work equally well.
  • Once you develop an index (look at a target and the sights show up aligned without conscious effort) with a particular gun, those guns with different grip angles will index in a way that is "off" in one direction or another.
  • Index is malleable. You can develop a good index with almost any handgun. In so doing, you may lose a previously developed index with other guns that have significantly different angles.

I don't think any of those is debatable. If you have developed a good index with a Glock, something with slightly more upright angle won't index well for you until you re-train your index around the other gun. And vice-versa.

I don't like Glocks personally. My index is developed around CZ/Tanfoglio stuff and 1911's. If I started practicing with a Glock, a few thousand dry-fire draws and transitions would shift my index to suit the Glock.
 
For what it's worth, it's not the angle of the grip but the palm swell on the rear of the grip. If they offered adjustable inserts there like the APX I think a lot of folks would be surprised, though the grip is still pretty square. Fits my wide palms well.

drband said:
I find this helpful: "grip angle and presentation are more of a muscle memory issue than a mechanics issue, except... If you shoot mainly Glocks, EVERY other gun points too low. If you shoot mainly M&Ps, or mainly XDs, or mainly 1911's... EVERYTHING points right, EXCEPT a Glock."
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Not my experience. I primarily shoot 1911 and Glock and a little practice and muscle memory makes everything point dead on.

The Sig P-Series and 320s without a beavertail always point high for me until I spend some time with them. I just replaced them all with a Legion (beavertail) and it points just fine now.

JTQ said:
Kind of like all the comments with ...

"The awful, backwards operating Beretta 92FS safety will get you killed on the streets"

"A carry gun with a manual safety will get you killed on the streets"

"A revolver as a carry gun will get you killed on the streets"

"A gun with two different trigger pulls will get you killed on the streets"

"If you use the slide stop to release the slide you'll get killed on the streets"

"If your carry gun doesn't have a mounted light you'll get killed on the streets"

"If your carry gun doesn't have night sights you'll get killed on the streets"

"If your carry gun doesn't have a minimum capacity of 15 rounds you'll get killed on the streets"

"You can't conceal a gun that is taller than 5"
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"A 1911 is far to big and heavy for anyone to conceal"
 
drband said:
I find this helpful: "grip angle and presentation are more of a muscle memory issue than a mechanics issue, except... If you shoot mainly Glocks, EVERY other gun points too low. If you shoot mainly M&Ps, or mainly XDs, or mainly 1911's... EVERYTHING points right, EXCEPT a Glock."
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That was reason #1 I got rid of my G23. I had one glock and plenty of other handguns. When I picked up my Glock and aimed instinctively it was pointing high. There was nothing uncomfortable about it and I didn't actually shoot high when aiming. But since this was my nightstand gun and likely to be used when I'm half awake and in not-perfect lighting conditions I decided that a gun that pointed similarly to all my other guns should be kept in that nightstand.
 
Trey Veston said:
I've posted photos of two very popular pistols. One that gun folks say has a grip angle that offends them, and one that those same people say is superior in ergonomics and fits them much better.

Looking at the photos, there is pretty much no difference in the "grip angle".

So, I am hypothesizing that there actually is no real difference and people are just making stuff up to be offended about.

Your response pretty much supports my theory that some people just like to make up stuff so they can sound smarter.

Just admit that you have no idea what the grip angle thing is about and are just repeating crap you read on the internet and are using it to try and justify not liking how a certain pistol feels.

Sure, some people prefer how other pistols feel and point for them. Picking up different guns in the LGS, I have ones that just feel better. There is nothing wrong with liking a pistol over another one based on "feeling".

I just find the whole "grip angle" argument to be complete BS, as illustrated above.
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Somebody has a little case of the "glockies" today.
 
JTQ said:
Kind of like all the comments with ...

"The awful, backwards operating Beretta 92FS safety will get you killed on the streets"

"A carry gun with a manual safety will get you killed on the streets"

"A revolver as a carry gun will get you killed on the streets"

"A gun with two different trigger pulls will get you killed on the streets"

"If you use the slide stop to release the slide you'll get killed on the streets"

"If your carry gun doesn't have a mounted light you'll get killed on the streets"

"If your carry gun doesn't have night sights you'll get killed on the streets"

"If your carry gun doesn't have a minimum capacity of 15 rounds you'll get killed on the streets"

"You can't conceal a gun that is taller than 5"
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I’ve always gone with Massad Ayoob, apology if thats spelled wrong.

If one can’t get the job done with six shots, one either needs more range time or one is in way over ones head.
There is and always will be a question of reliability.
 
It's not the grip angle of the Glock that keeps me from them. It's the shape of the grip. I can handle the grip angle of the Ruger MK IV just as well as the much different 1911. What I can't do is use the sway backed design of the Glock without physical adjustment on my part. I learned a long time ago that I can shoot a gun that is a natural fit much better than one that I have to make adjustment to so I pass on Glocks for that reason. Human hands come in a great variety of sizes and shapes and my hand and a Glock grip are enough different that I'm not interested in one.. Other than that I have no gripe about them.
 
One thing I’ve observed over the years of shooting is that people’s hands are not the same. I’ve never bought or sold any handguns over grip angle. It’s up to me to adjust to the frame. That said, some are just more comfortable than others. If I had only one or two or was picking a conceal carry weapon, I would certainly buy only what felt best and points best. That is the rub, everyone’s hands are different.
 
Quote: That is the rub, everyone’s hands are different.

You find that out real quick when you shake hands with people. (dogs don't count)

1911? Not enough boolits for my concerns.

Don't like the Glock grip angle? You probably won't like a Steyr either.

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Funny. I never realized other peoples wrist have a natural locking angle. Mine doesn't. I learn how a particular gun points, and then use it that way. Does everyone else have a detent and notch in their wrists to lock it in place or something? As far as I was aware, handgun shooting was a learned skill.
 
Always, whenever anyone, even gun rag writers, say the grip is bad in some way they mean for them. If it doesn't fit FOR YOU, doesn't make it bad, just a poor choice for you.
 
I love Glocks. Bang every time, don't mind running hot & dirty, plenty accurate, low maintenance, ugly and dependable.

Grip angle and "natural" pointing are matter of habit / preference. After seven years of shooting Glocks, I would constantly aim low with an LCP.
 
I just line up my sights and shoot. grip angle doesnt matter to me. I also learned how to shoot with many guns instead of only one. maybe that's why? I dont understand the complaint on grip angles, but seems real enough since so many chatter about it......and gun makers advertise it to sell guns sometimes.......

glocks I aim pretty even without using the sights to adjust.....

same goes for 1911s.....figure that one out.......
 
I find the Glock grip angle particularly useful for shooting at birds, defending from attacking pigeons (especially if they have just had beans) and on the 4th of July.

It's also good for pumpkin carving:

 
For ME the grip angle sucks, plain and simple...I dont need an "excuse" to not own a Glock, and frankly the whole idea that I would need an excuse to NOT buy a Glock that doesnt work for ME is rediculous.
 
The whole grip angle thing, with any of them, is just silly. It's not the guns fault if you can't shoot it.

What it is, is simply a lack of experience and knowledge on the part of the shooter, if there is a problem.

We all have our favorites, but that doesn't make the others poor performers, which you would understand, if you took the time, and made an honest effort to learn the different guns.

Many seem to choose not to, and there in lies the truth and trouble. But most aren't willing to own up to their own short comings, so it has to be the fault of the gun. Right? :thumbup:
 
I shoot a BHP better than I shoot a 1911. I shoot a 1911 better than I shoot a Glock. I am guessing that it is grip angle that makes the difference.

However, for practical use, any of them will do the job, the difference isn't that great. I own three BHPs, three 1911s, and three Glocks.
 
Buzznrose said:
I repeated this same drill with my daughters XDM 3.9, and my point of aim was lower, actually almost on the target. After a couple similar tries, I tried the G19 again, thinking my mind was compensating, and the Glock was still high.

YMMV!!!
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I honestly did this with the two pistols I pictured in the original post and both lined up exactly on what I was aiming at. *shrug*

I went shooting once this summer with a very high speed ISPC shooter with thousands of dollars in custom STI 1911s. Didn't know the guy very well, but we were both volunteers in teaching a new shooters class. After class was over, we started shooting plates at 7yds and I used one of his guns, then my M&P, then my G19 and was apparently fast enough and accurate enough with all 3 guns that he remarked that I really needed to start doing matches. Maybe I'm just a freak in that I can pick up nearly any pistol and use it effectively.
 
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