Videos - Pietta Shoulder Stocks for Remington 1858, Colt 1851 & 1860

Do the stocks for the NMA Remingtons need to have any mods to a standard steel frame Pietta NMA to attach? Or must the breech shield be machined like a Colt and special screws mounted in the frame?

-kBob

kBob said:

Do the stocks for the NMA Remingtons need to have any mods to a standard steel frame Pietta NMA to attach? Or must the breech shield be machined like a Colt and special screws mounted in the frame?

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There are three types of standard stock attachment:

1. Howdah - grip loops


2. Military 1860 or other with butt notch, cut recoil shield and fourth screws on either side of the frame - hook shaped stock waist that fits recoil shield


3. Civilian 1860, 1851 or 1858 with butt notch but uncut recoil shield and only three screws - rounded grooved stock waist that fits over a replacement long hammer screw


If buying the latter used, be sure the hammer screw is included or you will have to order one from Taylors!

Note in the Taylor's site above, there are different stock numbers for the different types listed.
If in doubt which one you should buy, call them and ask. They are VERY nice!

• ASS44 1860 Army Shoulder Stock Complete +$227.00
• NSS44 1851 Navy Shoulder Stock Complete +$227.00
• BSS44 1858 Remington Shoulder Stock Complete +$227.00

Has anyone called Taylors to see if they are in stock?

My arm is longer.

This is a very informative thread. If I may, I would like to add a bit of information.

If purchasing a attachment stock for a Colt-type revolver, there is a difference in the length of the "J-hook" and its housing depending upon if it is for an 1851/1861 Navy or an 1860 Army as the gripframe lengths are different. The photo below shows Pietta revolvers.

Top: 1860 Army 4-screw
Middle: 1861 Navy 4-screw (Stock no longer available)
Bottom: "1858" Remington .36/.44



When I bought my first shoulder-stocked revolver, it was a cased set: Pietta 1851 Navy 4-screw CFS and an 1860 Army stock.



It did not fit well at all, so I substituted an ASM 1860 Army revolver for the set.





I believe that my shoulder stock is actually tiger stripe/flame maple. It is most likely a Pietta, but cannot corroborate that. I have removed the buttplate and the wood is very blond, unlike walnut. I can't believe that Pietta would market a maple stock, so it is a conundrum as far as I know. Any info about this would be greatly appreciated.

Another consideration for Pietta 1851 Navy revolvers is the style of the gripframe. Pietta has produced at least 3 different styles since 1990, which I term:

Large Tail (~2000-2014), Small Tail 1990 (or earlier)-~2000, and Non Tail (2015-present).



As you can see, the geometry of the three different backstraps, including different curves, will affect the fit of a stock to a certain gripframe.

On the Pietta Navy .36 4-screw revolver I replaced the 1851 Navy gripframe with an 1860 Army gripframe and it fits well, at least to my satisfaction. One with a part round/part octagon barrel and one with a Navy octagon barrel:





Another consideration: when Sam Colt was experimenting with 4 different "attachment" stocks for the 1848 Dragoon/1851 Navy/1860 Army prior to the ACW, he decided that a brass backstrap was too soft at the bottom attachment point to withstand the use of a shoulder stock, so all 1860 Army 4-screw and 1861 Navy 4-screw guns were produced with steel/iron backstraps.

I would appreciate any pushback from you folks. I am just trying to learn about these and I am a novice in these matters.

I know this is off topic but we are hunkering down to try to avoid Covid-19 and are about to go stir-crazy, but we have enough food stock for a long while. We have been watching a LOT of recorded movies. We live in a very rural area: my nearest next-door neighbor is 300 yards away so no personal contact. We grow grass hay and oats for the neighbors' beef cattle on 14 acres. It is not a lot commercially, but we take care of ourselves so to speak. Barter is the name of the game here.

I hope all of you folks stay safe, and I am done here with this subject.

Regards,

Jim

expat_alaska said:

We grow grass hay and oats for the neighbors' beef cattle on 14 acres.

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Stay away from those cattle Jim, unless they are wearing face masks. A dog in China and a Tiger in the Bronx zoo both have tested positive for Covid 19/SARS II.

Seriously, Stay Safe All!

Great post, Jim. I have a mystery shoulder stock and I think you have helped me identify it as and 1851/61 Navy stock. It barely fits on my Uberti 1860 Army but one can tell it's not quite right. Your first photo clearly shows the difference between the longer brass piece on the Army vs. the shorter brass piece on the Navy. Mine has the shorter brass piece so it's got to be a Navy stock.

Ephraim,

any idea who was breaking social distancing rules with the tiger?

-kBob

LonesomePigeon said:

Great post, Jim. I have a mystery shoulder stock and I think you have helped me identify it as and 1851/61 Navy stock. It barely fits on my Uberti 1860 Army but one can tell it's not quite right. Your first photo clearly shows the difference between the longer brass piece on the Army vs. the shorter brass piece on the Navy. Mine has the shorter brass piece so it's got to be a Navy stock.

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Thanks for the response! My real search concerns a shoulder stock for a repro ASM Dragoon 3rd Model 4-screw CFS. I have an excellent online friend who will sell me the revolver if I pursue the course. It is not in the best of shape cosmetically, but it functions well. The biggest problem is to find an ASM shoulder stock to fit the Dragoon, as the dimensions are larger than an 1860 Army shoulder stock. ASM made quite a few ~1974-1975, to include revolvers that had 18" barrels. All of the ASM yoke hardware was blacked, not brass looking. If anyone here has one and wants to sell it, give me a shout ASAP. I have my stimulus money.

Jim

So because these are black powder guns, they don’t require the SBR NFA tax stamp?

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So because these are black powder guns, they don’t require the SBR NFA tax stamp?

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Yes, that is right. For most of the U.S. we can do whatever we like with these guns and the government won't know or care.

.38 Special said:

Yes, that is right. For most of the U.S. we can do whatever we like with these guns and the government won't know or care.

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This only applies to percussion and flintlocks correct? Not a original Colt SA cartridge centerfire or even a reproduction of one?

Texasgrillchef said:

This only applies to percussion and flintlocks correct? Not a original Colt SA cartridge centerfire or even a reproduction of one?

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I'm slightly unlear on "curio and collector" rules which govern things like antique centerfire guns. The only thing I'm sure about are the percussion and flint guns which, outside of a few places like New Jersey, are unregulated and can be modified the the owner's satisfaction.

If i remember correctly "Antique firearm " was defined as produced before 1898. They did not fall under the silliness of the NFA. Can someone with a better memory or understanding confirm or dispute this?

This is from the book Civil War Guns (William B. Edwards, 1962, pp. 426-427), referring to actions that the NRA lobbied for regarding original guns and reproductions:





I might add that if you have a shoulder stocked percussion revolver with a barrel length of less than 16" and you are using a cartridge conversion cylinder with it, you have an SBR.

Regards,

Jim