10/22 20shots / 50yds

ford8nr said:
Maybe.
I shoot 4 position 50' rimfire. Can shoot a clean 100 in prone. At 100 yds, same rifle, appropriate target way tougher. Not sure if that makes 50' more precise.
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The USAS50 target uses a 3/4moa aiming dot at 25yrds. 0.029”/.76mm.

But 100yrds is for chumps, if you want a real challenge, shoot that rifle at 300yrds - on an appropriate target…

Anybody getting the point at all yet? The challenge is meant as a retort to the nonsense @Picher is trying to bang into this thread. “Appropriate targets” can be applied to make valid courses of fire at many distances for a given cartridge. The NRA seems to feel (whom I’d consider a better authority on the topic of Rimfire competition design than this user) there are at least 6 viable distances for testing 22LR marksmanship, just under the positional smallbore platform, before we even consider other platforms such as silhouette…

(Of note, at least half of the groups on the brag target above wouldn’t have cleaned a USAS50, and of course, that’s not even accounting for the variant positions of the groups, meaning it’s likely none of them would have).

Shoot whatever distance you want. A viable test can be made for 22LR anywhere from 50ft to beyond 300yrds, and frankly, there ARE competitions being fired with 22’s beyond 400.
 
To me a flier would be a shot that the shooter didn't call and had no influence on.

Shooting vintage military with vintage ammo has fliers. I can reduce them by hand sorting ammo by weight and breaking the varnish seal on the bullets, or just shoot handloads.
 
Spring must be here ... more time debating trivial then shooting
Anybody shoot today?
I shot a 3 gun match in the rain/snow mix 38°
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ford8nr said:
Spring must be here ... more time debating trivial then shooting
Anybody shoot today?
I shot a 3 gun match in the rain/snow mix 38°
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Took my elderly mother to the range. She hasn't been in a long time (35 years?), turned out the only thing I had that she could handle is a rossi rs22 with a cheap simmons on top. She was pulling the trigger with her middle finger. Shot these groups off my range bag from the bench at 50 yards. Scope set on 4x. Bulk armscor ammo.
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IMO not too bad.
 
ford8nr said:
To me a flier would be a shot that the shooter didn't call and had no influence on.
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That's what I used to think but many THR match shooters including Bart B./jmorris/Nature Boy convinced me that "there are no flyers" and every hole counts.

Can I prove it?

Yes ... That's why I did the "Real world ..." threads shooting over 10,000 rounds while capturing every 5/10 shot groups.

What I learned from following accuracy trends after factory triggers reduced from 7.5/6 lbs to 4.5/4 lbs for 10/22 and T/CR22 and installing 2.5 lb Volquartsen trigger kits and using CPC reworked/Power Custom CNC Match bolts was that 5 shot groups are simply subset of 10 shot groups and 10 shot groups are subset of 50 shot groups.

Yes, all of my groups were shot on same target for full transparency posting (Instead of posting rare smallest groups) and groups were shot with cold AND warm/hot barrels even after 500+ round sessions for full comprehensive comparison.

So if you keep shooting, those "flyers" will simply become data points for larger group size.

Sad ... But true. :)
 
Dirtybob said:
Took my elderly mother to the range. She hasn't been in a long time (35 years?), turned out the only thing I had that she could handle is a rossi rs22 with a cheap simmons on top. She was pulling the trigger with her middle finger. Shot these groups off my range bag from the bench at 50 yards. Scope set on 4x. Bulk armscor ammo.
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IMO not too bad.
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Awesome! Good for you and her!
 
Oh, I count my fliers as part of a group or score.
Shot a 198/200 10x in a vintage match, low 9 I called, high 9 ??.
Still counted it.
Like many of you, shoot enough and you know where the shot should have went.
 
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ford8nr said:
Oh, I count my fliers as part of a group or score

Like many of you, shoot enough and you know where the shot should have went.
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While these "flyers" that often ruin tight groups, I use them as learning tools.

Believe me, there are reasons why those "flyers" occur. ;)
 
Case in point.
I had a new to me Anschutz 1416 Sporter. Tried to shoot another site's 25yd challenge, 4 consecutive 5 shot groups under 1/4". Never could get 4 always several 'flers' in the 20 shots. Pulled action screws and found slop in the fit with action tipping forward without action screws. Piller bedded action screws and glass bedded action. Action sits tight and level without screws. Installed and torqued screws. Rifle easily shot the challange without 'fliers'.
 
This was @ 50 yards using Norma TAC-22 using a Ruger stainless (model 1256). The only mods to the rifle were a BX trigger and bolt release plate. Groups were either 10 rounds or 25 rounds. You can see from the top left target that groups were not as tight due to me getting acclimated to the rifle.

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