1st time 22lr at 100 yards

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irishlad said:
At about $25 a box I would have to see a big difference to make it worth it to me. Thanks for the reply.
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I look at it a lot like eating. Steak is better than hamburger, but hamburger is cheaper. I eat a lot more burger than steak, but I still shell out for a steak sometimes.

irishlad said:
That's why 1 box at a time so hopefully I don't end up with 11 like you did
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You could easily enough end up with 11 boxes of the same brand, just different lot #'s. It is fun/expensive/frustrating/rewarding though to find out what the best combination of your rifle and you are capable of. You'll probably find out you're more limited by the scope than the ammo if you go down the path of high end ammo.
 
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Howland937 said:
I look at it a lot like eating. Steak is better than hamburger, but hamburger is cheaper. I eat a lot more burger than steak, but I still shell out for a steak sometimes.


You could easily enough end up with 11 boxes of the same brand, just different lot #'s. It is fun/expensive/frustrating/rewarding though to find out what the best combination of your rifle and you are capable of. You'll probably find out you're more limited by the scope than the ammo if you go down the path of high end ammo.
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I like the burger and steak statement! 0 chance of me ending up with 11 boxes of the same brand or different brands for that matter. 2 or 3 at the most. Like I said I'm a recreational target shooter and jack rabbit hunter with my 22s. I really like the Vortex Crossfire ii 6-18x44 on it.
 
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irishlad said:
really like the Vortex Crossfire ii 6-18x44 on it.
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Most everything I'd hunt with has fixed 4x or variable up to 9x. I have a couple up to 24x. Don't own any true "target" scopes, mostly because they're not something I think any of my rifles would benefit from. At 100 yards, the crosshairs are going to obscure X amount of your point of aim. Thicker crosshairs=less target visible, which makes repeating the precise point of aim nearly impossible. The gurus around here have more knowledge on that, FFP vs SFP and so on. Above my hamburger pay grade.
 
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Something not mentioned is generally when testing for accuracy and switching brands of ammo, you need to at least patch out your barrel if not fully clean it to get the lube out from the last ammo you tested. And then, you can expect to shoot anywhere from a few to half a box of shells through the gun to getting it back grouping.
 
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I've been shooting a lot of Automatch on 2 MOA steel from 50-200 yards. It does okay, throws a flier here and there once in a while. Norma TAC is a little better. CCI SV is about the same as the TAC for me. In a 5 shot group at 50 yards, I can see 4 in the same hole and one thrown just outside of the group.

Here is what I typically see with Automatch at 50
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It is definitely minute of soda can at 100 yards, and I have broken clay pigeons at 200 with good consistency.

Definitely high on the fun scale! :cool:
 
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amd6547 said:
Try some CCI standard velocity.
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This is 10 rounds at 50y, 40grain standard velocity it was either CCI or Fiocchi, I don’t remember which, both were shooting well, with my Ruger Precision 22LR with BSA 8-32x44. I’ve since gotten a Leupold VX-Freedom 6-18x40 and not sure which I’m going to keep on it.

I’m going to stretch out to 100 next time the weather’s good & I have time.

BTW, a good friend of mine is a machinist and his daughter shot 22LR competition 10+ years ago. She took state a couple times and was chosen as an alternate for the Olympics. She shot an Anchuitz something that he had modified to fit her, she shot Eley Tenex exclusively and he said the rim thickness was critical when she got to that level of competition. There’s several different types on the market Champion Choice & Brownells have several different types in stock.
 

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My experience is that, generally, at 50 yards and less, there are many low cost options that shoot well. At 100 and longer, the field narrows greatly. I almost exclusively shoot subsonic, except for some lever action rifles in which I shoot mostly CCI mini-mags. At 100 yards, my best results come from Midas+ and Tenex, but those are expensive. I more often use Eley Target for knocking around and occasionally Match if I want to get serious; there’s not a lot of performance difference between the two, but price is lighter on the Target.

I have some older Wolf Target and Match made by Lapua that shoots nice, but is really greasy. The Lapua lines did the best in my 10-22 build.

The best I have had the chance to use was Federal Ultra Match, unfortunately no longer in production. A guy that has Federal as a sponsor gave my a box to try out. We were shooting a 6”gong at 300 yards and it did really well; most consistent ammo I’ve used. He dialed it in and hit it 7 times in a row; humbling. I could hit it but my little Anchutz couldn’t keep up with his Vudoo. Oh well, it was great fun.
 
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My experience is that, generally, at 50 yards and less, there are many low cost options that shoot well. At 100 and longer, the field narrows greatly. I almost exclusively shoot subsonic, except for some lever action rifles in which I shoot mostly CCI mini-mags. At 100 yards, my best results come from Midas+ and Tenex, but those are expensive. I more often use Eley Target for knocking around and occasionally Match if I want to get serious; there’s not a lot of performance difference between the two, but price is lighter on the Target.

I have some older Wolf Target and Match made by Lapua that shoots nice, but is really greasy. The Lapua lines did the best in my 10-22 build.

The best I have had the chance to use was Federal Ultra Match, unfortunately no longer in production. A guy that has Federal as a sponsor gave my a box to try out. We were shooting a 6”gong at 300 yards and it did really well; most consistent ammo I’ve used. He dialed it in and hit it 7 times in a row; humbling. I could hit it but my little Anchutz couldn’t keep up with his Vudoo. Oh well, it was great fun.
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Thanks for the info on Midas+ and Tenex!
 
irishlad said:
I have CCI sv , blazer, federal auto match and a few other kinds of CCI and Aguila.
Tried them all at 50 yards, in all of my 22s. Tac 22 was very accurate at 50 in this rifle. Not bad at a 100.
I seriously doubt if any of them would shoot better at 100 than 50.
That's why 1 box at a time so hopefully I don't end up with 11 like you did. I can shoot 3 groups of 5 out the 3 rifles that I want to try at a100.
I'm just curious how much better, if any, match grade will group. I seriously doubt if I would continue to buy it. I'm pretty much a recreational target and jack rabbit hunter with my 22s.
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My point was that your rifle might not like that one box of target ammo you pick, heck it might not like the first 5 types of target ammo you pick, but eventually you'll (probably) find one it shoots well.

Had I just tried Eley Club or Eley Contact I probably would have gotten discouraged because my 457 scatters them at about 2 MOA. But there's a few SK rounds that it really likes and consistently delivers sub moa groups.
 
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My point was that your rifle might not like that one box of target ammo you pick, heck it might not like the first 5 types of target ammo you pick, but eventually you'll (probably) find one it shoots well.

Had I just tried Eley Club or Eley Contact I probably would have gotten discouraged because my 457 scatters them at about 2 MOA. But there's a few SK rounds that it really likes and consistently delivers sub moa groups.
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I understand that.

As I stated in the OP "Think I might buy a box of some high end match ammo. I know different ammo and lots vary by rifle.
What would you folks recommend if only buying 1 box? Thanks"

I'm hoping to get lucky and 1 of the 3 rifles likes what I buy. Thanks for your input.
 
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irishlad said:
Thanks, I've seen out of stock on most of the high end 22 ammo I've searched for.
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The most readily available high end ammo right now is Eley. It just depends on how much you want to spend. Both Killough Shooting Sports and Champion's Choice have a pretty good inventory of various Eley offerings. I have had very good results with both Target and Club in my heavy barreled 10/22.
 
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irishlad said:
After seeing some posts here I thought I'd shoot a 100 yards (usually shoot 50 yards)and see how I'd do. Shot my Savage B22 F, Vortex crossfire ii 6-18x44 with Tac 22 from Walmart. Did better than I expected.
Think I might buy a box of some high end match ammo. I know different ammo and lots vary by rifle.
What would you folks recommend if only buying 1 box? Thanks
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I'd be satisfied with that.
 
illinoisburt said:
Generally speaking the standard velocity stuff should be more accurate at 100. Most all hi-vel will drop under speed of sound somewhere close to 100 yards which tends to cause small deviations in flight path. It may not be huge but going from 50 yard bug holes to 1+" can drive folks crazy trying to tweak their gear.
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This is generally a very true statement but there are always exceptions. My Savage MkII BTVLSS is one of them. It actually shoots CCI Mini Mags better than it shoot s CCI Standard out to 100 yards. I do have some better ammo to test in the rifle from 100 yards and beyond, I just need to find time to do some shooting.

When it comes to shooting beyond 100 yards with 22LR, you will get less drop but more spread with high velocity ammo and more drop but less spread with standard velocity ammo. This definitely becomes more noticeable once you get to 200 yards and farther.
 
Shoot quite a bit of the Aguila High Velocity Super Extra, from carbines like the Ruger 10/22 and RAR Compact, and aperture sights.

Generally golf balls at 25-50 yds.

Then, switch to a quality 36-8 gr. HP for field shooting.
 
I have yet to try the real premium ammo in my CZ-455. I started off with CCI Standard velocity, and it did okay, but would usually have a flyer in each group. When .22 ammo became scarce and prices rose, I stumbled across some SSK Standard + for not that much more than the CCI was going for and was quite pleased with the improvement.
A few months ago Norma USA had their TAC-22 ammo on sale for a great price with free shipping on a minimum order of $75, so I grabbed a couple bricks. It did pretty well but I still used the SK Standard + in our club 100 yard matches. At last Saturday’s match, while warming up, my usual SK ammo didn’t seem to be performing at its customary level, so I tried the TAC-22 and saw significant improvement and went ahead and used it in the match. Here are my final 2 targets:
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Not bad for $3.99 per box of 50.
 
It is great to take up the challenge of 22LR at 100yds! With most mass produced 22LR rifles, I think a reasonable expectation would be 10 shots at 100yds to group about 2"-2.5" and 5 shots at 100yds to group about 1.3"-2.5". That expectation is broad, but will typically cover most CCI/Federal/Remington/Winchester ammo and entry level offerings from the European 22LR manufacturers.

The pitfall of shooting 22LR at 100yds (vs 50yds) is that the same variables that create inconsistencies are magnified. This is where Chuck Hawks' maximum point blank range commentary starts ringing in my head because the bullet is dropping incredibly at this distance. Different muzzle velocities across different 22LR ammos mean that the scope adjustments are different for each ammo (and sometimes lot number). Ammo inconsistencies (that the shooter can't do anything about except spend more money and hope - I mean "test" haha); wind inconsistencies (which requires a wind call to make an adjustment so the group isn't ruined by a gust), and shooter inconsistencies (same eye relief; centered in the scope; same grip and trigger pressure; same rest/bipod/bag pressure) all play a part in the group size.

This is an ironic recommendation, but the smallest groups I have ever shot with a mass produced 22LR rifle with 5 shots at 100 yards was a back to back .637" and .629" using RWS Target rifle, which is "the same" as Norma Tac22. The caveat is, I had to shoot 15 groups to get those two groups and the average of all groups was 1.27".
 
Varminterror said:
I keep tripping over this one as I read back through this thread each time... I might not do the same again today, but I'm not too proud to admit that I ran a whole lot of ELEY Black through a Marlin 60 back in ~'97-2005...
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My dad had a Marlin 39A that was scary accurate with cheap ammo. As with all cheap ammo it would sling one on occasion, but it never entered my mind to pay more than 99 cents a box of 50 back then, being broke, cheap, and having a blast with that ammo.
 
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Walkalong said:
My dad had a Marlin 39A that was scary accurate with cheap ammo. As with all cheap ammo it would sling one on occasion, but it never entered my mind to pay more than 99 cents a box of 50 back then, being broke, cheap, and having a blast with that ammo.
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Sometimes it just isn't as much fun when you are slinging 10- 20cpr rounds downrange as it is when you can do it with 4 or 5cpr :)
 
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I never shoot a .22LR for groups at 100 yards. There are too many variables to be sure as to my results. Fifty yards is my test distance for .22LR ammo and/or rifle. It tells me more "truthfully" about both.
 
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