.22lr Accuracy at 100 Yards

[country boy marksman]

A few weeks back I sighted in a new scope on my 10/22, and when I went from my target stand at 25 yards to one at 150 yards, it dropped a noticeable amount, but still shot very consistent groups while standing, and was very impressive resting. When I fed cci stingers through it, I had to readjust the point of aim, but it still shot straight! In my 10/22 or in my other 22's, its performance (especially for it's price) never ceases to amaze me!

In other words, at 100 yards, one can expect very good accuracy, in my opinion

 

[_N4Z_]

Was glancing over this thread and getting re-interested in taking my .22 out. It has been quite awhile.


Speaking of quite awhile -

This thread was started in 2004...

Resurrected last year.. Necro's must be out.

 

[USMC_1371]

In the interest of pursing the question regarding how to minimize five shot groups of 22 rim fire rifle systems (RS) I would offer the following to improve our comparisons of results and help each other improve our skills:

1. Given that the idea of "MOA" is applicable to the rifle, sight, ammunition, and the shooter as a group of parts acting as a unit or system.

2. Agreeing for the sake of this discussion that the rifle, sight, ammunition, and shooter can be in the future, identified as a "Rifle System" or "RS."

3. Agreeing for the sake of this discussion and as an example, an "RS" consisting of a Remington model 511p rife, with peep sights, Federal UltraMatch and myself as the shooter would be identified as rifle system:
"R511/1x/Fed.UM/usmc_1371" or if using an 4x scope
"R511/4x/Fed.UM/usmc_1371" or if using an 8x scope and Fed Match
"R511/8x/Fed.M/usmc_1371" etc. etc.

OK... now... assuming that your not sickened nor rejected by my poor effort to clarify our results/efforts, I would be interested in comments from anyone on the following questions.

a. What difference in group size have been realized between two RS with the only difference being Scope vs Open sights at any distance?

b. What difference in group size has been experienced with an open-sight RS at 25, 75, and 100 yards?

c. What is the best "target bull" size for open vs scope sighted RS shooting at 25, 75, and 100 yards.

The above questions/interest is not associated with bullet drop nor wind, which I would consider different questions or threads.

Thanks

 

[FLNT4EVR]

If conditions are good 1 moa is quite doable.

 

[Pete D.]

MOA

I was shooting in a .22 prone match at the Wilkes-Barre Rifle and Pistol club some years ago. The fellow shooting on the point next to mine was a young man from Annapolis. I watched him (well, I saw the target when he was done.) watched him shoot ten shots into the X-ring (one inch diameter) at 100 yards. No bench...slinged up prone and no scope, aperture sights.
Yeah, its doable.
BTW - he didn't win the match. Smallbore Prone - perfect scores are common....a game of Xs.
Pete

 

[ms6852]

I did this using iron sights I was dialing in at the same time I shot this 10 shot group at one hundred yards. Rifle is a 52C winchester using redfield sights. I probably could have gotten MOA if I had not adjusted after every shot as I was trying to zero my sights.

 

[Slamfire]

Let me add this to a 2004 post before the moderators shut it down:


I have started shooting small bore prone, because it is hard, and because it makes me a better prone centerfire shooter.

At Camp Perry this year, I got to meet Mr. Charles Kemp, the 2010 Camp Perry iron sight National Champ and high civilian.

I asked him what his rifle could shoot, he told me it shot consistent 10 shot groups at 100 yards of 0.39”.

Mr. Kemp extensively tests ammo, and won the Nationals with one lot of Red Box Eley. He told me there is no such thing as “best ammo”, each brand and lot must be tested in the firearm.

These are pictures of Mr. Kemp and his M52D rifle. Basically the action and trigger are M52D . Mr. Kemp said he was able to get a ¾ pound pull out of the factory trigger, (mine follows around 1.5 pounds!) but that it was still too heavy as it took too long to break in wind gusts.

Let me tell you, the wind blows like nothing you have ever seen up there on the shores of Lake Erie.







This is probably an average target for Mr Kemp, but for me, it is one of my best.

 

[Pete D.]

nice

Nice shooting. Very nice.
Question: About the 1.5lb trigger and your Anschutz, is that correct?.....I was under the impression that Anschutz triggers(and 52Ds, etc.) were measured in ounces, not pounds. My prone rifle, an FWB, is only a few ounces....why so heavy a trigger? Even my Anschutz Biathlon rifle trigger is pretty light, ounces - though that may be nearer to your 1.5 pounds. (I'd expect Mr. Kemp's trigger to be 3/4 of an ounce and yours - with that fine target - to be 1.5 ounces as opposed to pounds.)
Pete

 

[yotesmoker]

22 ar

After reading this thread it got me wanting to get back into 22 shooting.Just how accurate can I expect to get out of a dedicated 22 upper on my colt AR?I had a ruger 77/22 that was very accurate but sold it{I can get it back}Since the dedicated 22 ar and the ruger can be had for almost the same price do you feel that the 22AR would be as accurate?

 

[BADUNAME37]

When I used to shoot NRA 50' indoor range at 12 years old, I made Sharpshooter.

I recall hitting the bullseye many times, basically one ragged hole, perhaps 1/4" in diameter. Multiply that by six to get the size group at 100 yards and we are talking 1.5" groups. And that was even with ammo that today would be considered not accurate (there is a much better assortment of ammo today than there was in 1968).

However, that was with a bolt action heavy barrel 22 LR Reminton Matchmaster.

 

[wingman]

I've fired a few groups of less then 1.00 @100yd with my custom 10/22 and a stock Marlin 981T using match ammo, but honestly I view the 22lr as a 50-75 yard round but 100 yards and beyond I prefer center fire rounds just seems more enjoyable to me. Nothing wrong with trying to wring out maximum accuracy with any rifle but each has it's own niche..

 

[Kilgor]

I just really enjoy popping clay pigeons at 100, 200, and 300 yards with a semiauto, cheap ammo, and some guesstimated hold over. I'm zeroed at 50 yards. 100 yards is the where the duplex reticle goes from thin to thick. 300 yards is holding all the way at the bottom of the picture. It's sort of like walking artillery in...

 

[Keb]

Well here is a snow shot at a prairie dog at 220 yards using a Marlin 60 and Walmart Federal Bulk.

 

[Keb]

You can see the 27" shooting bench on its side, off in the distance.

 

[Pete D.]

snow

Keb: That snowy field looks COLD.

 

[Slamfire]

Question: About the 1.5lb trigger and your Anschutz, is that correct?.....I was under the impression that Anschutz triggers(and 52Ds, etc.) were measured in ounces, not pounds. My prone rifle, an FWB, is only a few ounces....why so heavy a trigger? Even my Anschutz Biathlon rifle trigger is pretty light, ounces - though that may be nearer to your 1.5 pounds. (I'd expect Mr. Kemp's trigger to be 3/4 of an ounce and yours - with that fine target - to be 1.5 ounces as opposed to pounds

My Anschutz dates from 1966. Back then triggers were three pounds. I sent the trigger off to

Todd Toenges
2304 Langford Ave.
Modesto, CA 95350

And Mr Tonenges reduced the trigger pull to 1.5 pounds.

Mr. Kemp wrote on a piece of paper, 3/4 pound trigger. He wanted a lighter trigger, said it took too long to build up pressure in gusting wind.

I have handled two stage triggers with a final pull weight of 3 ounces. Too darn light for my ham hands.

 

[TXSharpshooter]

The 22 LR is very capable of consistent 1.5" groups at 100 yards.

As a kid growing up in east TX hunting squirrels with a single shot .22 rifle I didn't know just how accurate the round was until I recently regained my interested in hunting/shooting and have started shooting again at a local range.

 

[d2wing]

I don't know if it is kosher to post on such an old thread. I can shoot around 2 inches with Federal auto match at 100 yards with my either of my CZ 452s. With my Remington 540XR I can get 1 inch barely sometimes at 100 yards with Eley ammo outdoors light breeze. That is at a range with witnesses. I get one hole groups at 50 yards. My guess that a lot of these post are pure bs. If it did not happened witnessed at a range it did not happen.
But I can be surprised. A few weeks ago a guy tied me for first. I was shooting a CZ 452 and he was shooting a stock Ruger 10/22. Both rifles were stock but I wouldn't have though anyone with a stock 10/22 could match me. This was at a club turkey shoot. And I have seen some crazy shots made so something that sounds like bs could remotely possibly be true once. but I will believe it when I see it and a fluke is a fluke.

 

[d2wing]

Also my rifle is sighted zero at 25, 1 inch low at 50 and 8.5 inches at 100 with ss ammo.

 

[d2wing]

It is evident from some posts that they are making up trajectory figure and that their scope combos do not have that much adjustment so whatever.

 

[itsa pain]

A subject like this will bring out a lot of storytellers lol

 

[teetertotter]

Affordable Ammo for Accuracy

I have been shooting Aquila Rifle Match the past 2 years.
Tested Federal 711B last April and more accurate. Then this past August tested Norma TAC-22 and as accurate as the 711B at 77 meters, off sandbags. I bought 7 bricks from our club pistol director w same lot#. Because the Aquila and Federal are unavailable in case qty, I was able to buy an unopened factory case of the TAC-22, last week. $571.17 delv'd. If you have a chance, you might want to test the Norma TAC-22. Some are comparing it to higher priced Wolf, SK, and Eley as an example, in their rifles. I won't get a chance to test the TAC-22 at 100 meters until 2016, when I have used up my 1/2+ case Aguila Rifle Match. What I saw at 77 meters was good enough for me. We start indoor off hand 50ft paper practice in January thru April, then outdoor out to 100 meters.
Just my .02cents on mid priced target ammo in my rifle. It is nice to revive old threads!

 

[dubbleA]

I have found also that the Norma TAC-22 (re-badged RWS) ammo shoots good. I drive it out to 400yds or so and it does well. I haven't chrono'd it yet but it's quiet shooting suppressed so it's probably in the 1000fps range. Definitely a good option when you can find it compared to the higher priced match stuff.

 

[tuj]

custom bench gun.

 

[Cee Zee]

Nice shooting tuj!

BTW this thread dates back to 2004. This has to be a record for zombie threads.

I shot this one with my CZ 453. 5 shots from 50 yards.