TISAS' "Armed Services" 1911A1

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Other than maybe a couple details, it seems pretty similar to their latest GI 1911A1's.

Didn't realize that duplicating the wartime markings accurately would be a concern, but I think it would be cool if they did.

"Based on a 1943 Remington Rand, the Tisas Armed Services (AS) duplicates the original Type E hammer, correct arched mainspring housing, small window ejection port, and other features specific to the sub-contracted pistols of the day.

“Until now, no one has produced a true replica of the issue M1911A1,” stated SDS/Tisas USA CEO Tim Mulverhill. “Many companies have created ‘GI’ or similarly named models, but none of them were true representations of the original. We set out to create a version that would be hard to tell apart when holding an original in one hand and the Tisas in the other. Until you see the discreet manufacturer information under the dust cover, you can’t tell them apart other than wear and the cruder wartime machining marks of the originals. We even considered adding the flaming Ordnance Bomb proof mark, but there is a fine line between replica and counterfeit, and we felt that would be crossing it.”

The Armed Services features the correct United States Property roll marks, and ships with the correct brown plastic grips. A set of walnut, double diamond checkered grips are also included."


https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...ica-tisas-usa/
 
This thread needs a picture, so:
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And, dang, but that will likely energize the reenactor community, and some part of the collector community (if with an asterisk).
That "under US$500" MSRP will attract some interest, too.

I know I'm feeling some 'lust' for one right now :)
 
This thread needs a picture, so:
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And, dang, but that will likely energize the reenactor community, and some part of the collector community (if with an asterisk).
That "under US$500" MSRP will attract some interest, too.

I know I'm feeling some 'lust' for one right now :)
paid $299 for my NEW too! should have gotten 2-3! good gun too
 
"We even considered adding the flaming Ordnance Bomb proof mark, but there is a fine line between replica and counterfeit, and we felt that would be crossing it.”

Sounds like there's a lot of fakery in the GI 1911 market.
 
They are but not

Which will likely be under $400 on the street.
It's a decent representation, but if it says "U.S. Property" and "Made in Turkey" both...I'ma pass.

That's a HUGE but... One will keep making money and one wont be worth squat. We are not talking tens of thousands of dollars in savings.

It appears to be marked TN. Of course on the incorrect side.

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It appears to be marked TN. Of course on the incorrect side
So they're "U.S. Property," made in U.S.A? That changes...well nothing for me really. They have the reputation of reliability and shooting reasonably well, but I prefer to spend a bit more and get some of the modern creature comforts.
My dad bought a Tisas on Black Friday sale for $279. I'd consider one at that price, maybe.
 
Sounds like there's a lot of fakery in the GI 1911 market.
More a case of "constructive assembly." I'm not aware of spurious flaming bomb stamps.
Although there were a few spurious "U.S. Navy" stamps made and fake "Singer" stampings, reflecting the vast difference in retail sale price as a result. (Getting a grand for something selling for a c-note or two, makes for some criminal incentive.)

Now, finding a frame with 'desirable' markings and matching it to a slide also with desirable makings, meant being able to flog the end result for more dosh. Now, you need to be a bit amoral to do that, and eventually that reputation will catch a person out.

The 1911 market is not quite so bad as the "Luger" market, but, in some ways it's in the same sort of shady neighborhood.

And, as can be seen in the comments above, the "market" makes a lot of distinctions between "needs all the [modern] bells and whistles" and "is a true collectible" and "is good enough for me."

I'll admit to being keen (not that I need another 1911A1), but, until I see one "out in the wild" I'll reserve judgement.
 
They're made in Turkey, like all Tisas guns. The importer is in Tennessee.
That was my suspicion.

On the topic of American classics and foreign entities that try to cash in on their popularity, we have decisions to make.
, as can be seen in the comments above, the "market" makes a lot of distinctions between "needs all the [modern] bells and whistles" and "is a true collectible" and "is good enough for me."


This may be good enough for someone who can't afford an actual WWII surplus Jeep or even a post war CJ2A and just wants the look. Or buy a CJ7, maybe pay a bit more, keep most of the look but have better performance and capabilities.
Or...go all out and buy a newer Wrangler, get all the performance and capabilities with AC.
Of course anything newer than a TJ, especially 4 door versions, need not apply.
 
Turkish handguns have developed a positive reputation over the last several years, with a decent combination of price and mostly good QC. Of course, they take proven designs from Walther, Glock, etc.. add a tweak here and there, and sell for a competitive price. I'm sure they save a ton on R&D that way.
 
Turkish handguns have developed a positive reputation over the last several years, with a decent combination of price and mostly good QC. Of course, they take proven designs from Walther, Glock, etc.. add a tweak here and there, and sell for a competitive price. I'm sure they save a ton on R&D that way.
That is kind of the point with patent protection once the patent expires anyone that wants to can use the design
 
I have one of their earlier, "GI-ish" versions; it's a great shooter, but complete with GI sights.
A buddy got a similar one for the service pistol class at Camp Perry, and he's pleased.
The Turk-made aspect doesn't bother me; they have a reputation for good stuff.
Oliver would have had a kitten over Japanese Winchesters. I have some, and like them.
Moon
 
Hmm... This Tisas GI clone might be of some interest to me. The Gun Broker price seems to be around $479. Let's see if I can find one at the big local gun show that's coming up in a couple of weeks. (This will be a good excuse to go to the show, which I haven't attended since early 2020.)

So far, I've taken two avenues is assembling (relatively) low-priced GI clones. The first was using an RIA (Philippines) GI model as the basis. This required replacing the slide, and I was still left with a beveled magazine well. The other way was using a U.S.-made Thompson / Kahr, which unfortunately has a Series 80 firing pin safety. In both cases, the conversions needed a lot of GI small parts (such as grips), which drove up the cost. (But I had many of these parts in my stash, from years back.)

The Tisas appears to be much closer to the WW2 gun, right out of the box. (Small sights, small ejection port, non-beveled mag well.) I would have to see it in person.
 
do the turkish tisas (and filipino ria, ati, metro) m1911 45acp pistols all interchangeably accept any maker’s mag, parts?
 
do the turkish tisas (and filipino ria, ati, metro) m1911 45acp pistols all interchangeably accept any maker’s mag, parts?

I don't know about all possible foreign manufacturers, but do Ed Brown, Nighthawk, Wilson Combat and other US makers' 1911 45ACP pistols all interchangeably accept any maker's mags and parts?
 
do the turkish tisas (and filipino ria, ati, metro) m1911 45acp pistols all interchangeably accept any maker’s mag, parts?
All I can say for certain is that the Philippine RIA and the U.S. Kahr / Thompson / Auto Ordnance guns accept GI parts. As usual, some of these may require minor hand fitting.

As for the others, most likely, the parts will fit. But I don't have personal experience of this.
 
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