A new press coming to market

westernrover said:
What I would rather see coming to market would be things that are more likely to get more people into reloading.
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Why should all new products only cater to cheapskates and newbies? The Indy 500 sure wouldn't be as interesting if they were all driving Honda Civic's...

westernrover said:
Consumers will pay if the product delivers.
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Yup, we do. Could you be specific in what you know the SAC Nexus fails to deliver which is accomplished by other single stage presses? Or is this just some anti-elitism rant that you're on?

Don't hate the player, hate the game.
 
'Cause what the world needs now is another pricey press...
Like I need a hole in the head. ~ Reloader Angst
 
Varminterror said:
Why should all new products only cater to cheapskates and newbies? The Indy 500 sure wouldn't be as interesting if they were all driving Honda Civic's...



Yup, we do. Could you be specific in what you know the SAC Nexus fails to deliver which is accomplished by other single stage presses? Or is this just some anti-elitism rant that you're on?

Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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I thought my comments ruled out cheapskates like those that buy Lee or that just don't buy anything because the scrounge up some junk someone else threw out. I don't think Lee or any other cheap junk is good to get more people into reloading because it's frustrating more than half the time. I gave Dillon as an example of what makes good introductory equipment but questioned whether the progressive workflow wasn't misguided for some use cases. I don't think Dillon is characterized as being for cheapskates or newbies, but it probably ought to be if the question was thought out long-term.

I don't know that much about the Nexus, but what I know is that it's a single stage press, it's aluminum, and it costs triple what other good single stage presses cost. What does it fail to deliver? Anything that can't be done on a Rockchucker.

Are you saying the SAC press is elite?
 
westernrover said:
I gave Dillon as an example of what makes good introductory equipment but questioned whether the progressive workflow wasn't misguided for some use cases.
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I almost gagged when I read this.

While I thought the Dillon Square Deal was a great introduction press when they were introduced for < $200, but since the price of that press has more than tripled, I don't really think it matches with the idea of "introductory equipment"...at least the price of the 550 hasn't quite doubled yet
westernrover said:
I don't know that much about the Nexus, but what I know is that it's a single stage press, it's aluminum, and it costs triple what other good single stage presses cost.
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When compared to a comparable press, the Forster Co-Ax, is in the same general price point...certainly not triple...and we don't know the street price yet. It really isn't much different from more conventional designed comparable presses like the Lee Classic Cast and the RCBS Rockchucker
 
Yup
9mmepiphany said:
I almost gagged when I read this.

While I thought the Dillon Square Deal was a great introduction press when they were introduced for < $200, but since the price of that press has more than tripled, I don't really think it matches with the idea of "introductory equipment"...at least the price of the 550 hasn't quite doubled yet

When compared to a comparable press, the Forster Co-Ax, is in the same general price point...certainly not triple...and we don't know the street price yet. It really isn't much different from more conventional designed comparable presses like the Lee Classic Cast and the RCBS Rockchucker
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I was a might shocked 😳 walking around BP last week at the prices of basic equipment.

I think it’s a nice looking press, just not suited to my work style. But like I said in my first response, if someone has the scratch and it meets their needs, mo pow’r toum! 😉

I appreciate hearing about things like this even if it’s not for me.
 
9mmepiphany said:
I almost gagged when I read this ... While I thought the Dillon Square Deal was a great introduction press when they were introduced for < $200, but since the price of that press has more than tripled

When compared to a comparable press, the Forster Co-Ax, is in the same general price point...certainly not triple...and we don't know the street price yet. It really isn't much different from more conventional designed comparable presses like the Lee Classic Cast and the RCBS Rockchucker
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Wait til you see Lee Precision's new turret press with swapable turrets ... stay tuned. (I told them to approach future product lines with "industrial bullet proof" concept :))
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
Yup

I was a might shocked 😳 walking around BP last week at the prices of basic equipment.

I think it’s a nice looking press, just not suited to my work style. But like I said in my first response, if someone has the scratch and it meets their needs, mo pow’r toum! 😉

I appreciate hearing about things like this even if it’s not for me.
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i second that last....
 
LiveLife said:
Wait til you see Lee Precision's new turret press with swapable turrets ... stay tuned. (I told them to approach future product lines with "industrial bullet proof" concept :))
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I knew they'd chosen a whole new direction when I got a good look at my Pro 6000. I've been very impressed with their build quality.

I don't even have a need for a turret and yet I'm very interested
 
higgite said:
Per their website, it isn't in production yet. They're taking pre-paid pre-orders now for shipment in "late March or early April". The first production run will be the first 300 sold. If you cancel, they keep 20% "restocking fee" although there is nothing to restock, yet.
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Yet, its the next best thing already...yeah, I'll wait until I get beat by ammunition loaded on one first, to investigate....

I care more about what something can deliver than what it costs.
 
Well, hmm. Not sure I dislike it for any reason other than the price. Heck I still think a Redding T7 is pricy. I still want one though (a T7).
 
Rule3 said:
What is that? Is it real of some photo creation??
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As previously posted, it's an AI Industeries, Inc. watchamacallit thingama jig. Every real reloader has one.:cool:

Now, where did I put mine? I'm guessing it's stored with my extra decapping pins somewhere.
 
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westernrover said:
I thought my comments ruled out cheapskates like those that buy Lee or that just don't buy anything because the scrounge up some junk someone else threw out. I don't think Lee or any other cheap junk is good to get more people into reloading because it's frustrating more than half the time. I gave Dillon as an example of what makes good introductory equipment but questioned whether the progressive workflow wasn't misguided for some use cases. I don't think Dillon is characterized as being for cheapskates or newbies, but it probably ought to be if the question was thought out long-term.

I don't know that much about the Nexus, but what I know is that it's a single stage press, it's aluminum, and it costs triple what other good single stage presses cost. What does it fail to deliver? Anything that can't be done on a Rockchucker.

Are you saying the SAC press is elite?
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Have you ever owned a Lee press?
 
drband said:
Have you ever owned a Lee press?
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I own a ABLP/4000, an APP Deluxe and an ACP. I've also owned a Classic Cast and an LCT. There is no question that Lee is innovating things in reloading far more than this SAC press does, but there is a major quality gap between the two. I want to see Lee innovation without the crap quality, and the frustrating figetry that, personally, I'm ok with, but has to be a major turn-off for people who don't have the time or patience and who aren't working from a level of experience that allows them to be comfortable to work-around Lee problems. Lee are the products that require a comfort-level with workarounds and jerry-rigging. That's when they're at their best. At their worst, they're useless garbage.

I own quite a bit of Lee gear besides the presses, but of the presses I mentioned, the Classic Cast is an exception in that it is a simple single-stage press and a great value.
 
westernrover said:
I own a ABLP/4000, an APP Deluxe and an ACP. I've also owned a Classic Cast and an LCT. There is no question that Lee is innovating things in reloading far more than this SAC press does, but there is a major quality gap between the two. I want to see Lee innovation without the crap quality, and the frustrating figetry that, personally, I'm ok with, but has to be a major turn-off for people who don't have the time or patience and who aren't working from a level of experience that allows them to be comfortable to work-around Lee problems. Lee are the products that require a comfort-level with workarounds and jerry-rigging. That's when they're at their best. At their worst, they're useless garbage.

I own quite a bit of Lee gear besides the presses, but of the presses I mentioned, the Classic Cast is an exception in that it is a simple single-stage press and a great value.
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Thanks for the clarification. Everything that is sold by any company is built to a price point. Some of Lee’s presses are fiddly but the newer gen. stuff seems better designed and more durable.
I own a LCT and an ABLP/4000 and am pleased with both.

I don’t need the SAC product, but I’m sure some folks will think it’s the bee’s knees and will be willing to pay the price.
 
westernrover said:
I own a ABLP/4000, an APP Deluxe and an ACP. I've also owned a Classic Cast and an LCT. There is no question that Lee is innovating things in reloading far more than this SAC press does, but there is a major quality gap between the two. I want to see Lee innovation without the crap quality, and the frustrating figetry that, personally, I'm ok with, but has to be a major turn-off for people who don't have the time or patience and who aren't working from a level of experience that allows them to be comfortable to work-around Lee problems. Lee are the products that require a comfort-level with workarounds and jerry-rigging. That's when they're at their best. At their worst, they're useless garbage.

I own quite a bit of Lee gear besides the presses, but of the presses I mentioned, the Classic Cast is an exception in that it is a simple single-stage press and a great value.
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Could you please PM me and tell me what you really think?
 
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