Federal Flite Control enhanced 12 gauge #1 buckshot loads (2.75" and 3")

RMc

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Ever wonder what 12 bore Flite Control performance with .30" pellets would look like? Yes, I know the only Flite Control #1 buckshot rounds use(d) the smallest pellet that can be labeled #1B. Yeah, those .285"-.286" diameter 33 grain pellets. But just what would a load using actual .30" buckshot pellets be like? You know - the actual listed diameter for #1B.

Let's see, after removing the wads from both 2.75" and 3" Flite Control buckshot loads, I decided to fill the respective shotcups with .30" pellets. The 2.75" Flite Control wad held 12 pellets in a 2 pellet per layer stack. The 3" version held 16 pellets also in 2 pellet layers. Both pellet stacks were just below the top of the respective wads. Quickly pouring the payload into these wads resulted in near perfect self stacking, an important factor in machine loading.

So what is the big deal? Depending on the lead alloy used, the 12 pellet load would weigh 1.125 ounces and the 16 pellet 3 inch version would check in at 1.5 ounces.

So the advantage boils down to a better balance of pellet diameter, pellet count, penetration and pattern core saturation.

What say you?
 
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Do you think the addition of actual 30 caliber #1B in Federal Premium's 12 Gauge Flite Control line is a good idea?

Why or why not?
 
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I have been a shotgun hunter since my first day of hunting and I lived in a shotgun only deer area growing up. I have experimented extensively with buckshot.

I am a huge proponent of #1 buckshot for hunting (and self defense) and believe it is a Goldilocks size for shotshell pellet capacity, penetration, range, etc. I also am a believer in flite control wads and have, like you, wished for a #1 flite control option.

So yes, I agree with you. I would buy a case if it was an available.
 
Well, my Mossberg is loaded with some of my remaining stock of the discontinued, low recoil LE #1 flight control load.
I’m pretty happy with the performance of that load.
 
Well, my Mossberg is loaded with some of my remaining stock of the discontinued, low recoil LE #1 flight control load.
I’m pretty happy with the performance of that load.

The 15 pellet Low Recoil LE #1B Flite Control was the round in which the pellets measured .285" and weighed 33 grains.
 
Not too concerned with the pellet diameter difference.
I also have a supply of Winchester SuperX #1 Buck, if needed…as well as a couple varieties of #4 Buck and, of course, 00.
but what I keep my home defense shotgun loaded with is that #1 load.
 
I have standard Federal 2 3/4” #1 buck in my HD 870. I haven't seen Flite Control #1 buck on shelves in many years, and since my probable distances for use are not extended the superbly tight patterns FC wads are known for aren’t super vital.

Obviously if they went into production with loads like the ones you assembled @RMc , I’m in for 50 of those shells. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
How many angels fit on the head of a pin? (while dancing?) .285 or .300 diameter pellets is not going to change a whole lot in either flight or terminal ballistics. Either will do the job at hand very well.
It's like trying to tweak a JD 4020 to get .1 miles per gallon of fuel.
 
Save your self a ton of money buying flight control BS and buy a Buckkicker choke for buckshot and it will out shoot an flight control BS on the market with Remington 2-3/4 00 buckshot and if you need more horse power buy 3" 00 buckshot. Even cheap off brand 00 buckshot shoots great of of the $65 choke.

Shooting a 14" pattern at 50 meters with 3" 00 Buck.

 
If one has a barrel threaded for that choke, great. Not everyone can or wants to have to replace their 18-20" cylinder bore barrel when they can just buy Federal flight control buckshot.
 
I’ve seen most of Bubba Roundtree’s vids and what I have gathered is that all guns and chokes shoot different loads differently.

That is variability by orders of magnitude when all possible guns, chokes, and loads are considered.

Flite control usually shoots pretty consistent from one cylinder bore to the next.

Vang comp will do barrel reaming that supposedly optimized Federal Flite control for those particular barrels. I don’t know if it truly works or not.
 
Am I correct that the flite-control stuff stays together in a lump for a longer distance than most buckshot - effectively making it a frangible SLUG at farther distance than most buckshot loads?

And maybe tighter patterns at a somewhat greater distance than discount buckshot?

Probably get a box or two and see how it performs in YOUR gun, and whether you think it meets your needs. A 12 gauge will take a man's arm completely off at the elbow at indoors distance. I know a guy. I never found out what load hit him. Doubt it mattered. Most loads don't open up much at across-the-kitchen distances.
 
From the standpoint of what I need in a general purpose or HD gun, I’m served fine by the flite control 00. It’s made in quantity due to many LE agencies that also use it, and that makes it affordable and available to me. It’s possible that the #1 buck might have a small advantage in pattern density, but I also already get pretty good pattern density with what I use now. I’d try a few boxes if it was on the shelf, but I don’t have a need for it.
 
Many of the reponses here suggest that other #1B shotshells will actually contain .300" pellets. That is certainly not the case - at least since Winchester's introduction of the Mark 5 buckshot load in 1963. The addition of a plastic collar and "Grex" buffer was a revolutionary pattern performance move. However, the continued use of traditional pellet stacking led to a necessary reduction in pellet diameter. Yes, that includes 00B & #1B,
 
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I have standard Federal 2 3/4” #1 buck in my HD 870. I haven't seen Flite Control #1 buck on shelves in many years, and since my probable distances for use are not extended the superbly tight patterns FC wads are known for aren’t super vital.

Obviously if they went into production with loads like the ones you assembled @RMc , I’m in for 50 of those shells. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
To clarify: I did not assemble/reassemble any loaded shells with .300" inch pellets in lieu of the 2.75" and 3" factory loads from which I removed the Flite-Control wads. The 12 and 16 pellet loads with actual nominal #1B, ie .300" diameter lead alloy pellets , under discussion, represent a significantly heavier payload weight than any current factory loaded Flite-Control buckshot loads.

For example: A current 16 pellet #1B factory load has a lead payload weight of approximately 1.2 ounces. Using 16 pellets of actual nominal #1B would, in contrast, weigh right at 1.5 ounces. This is a significant difference in payload weight.
 
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Many of the reponses here suggest that other #1B shotshells will actually contain .300" pellets. That is certainly not the case - at least since Winchester's introduction of the Mark 5 buckshot load in 1963. The addition of a plastic collar and "Grex" buffer was a revolutionary pattern performance move. However, the continued use of traditional pellet stacking led to a necessary reduction in pellet diameter. Yes, that includes 00B & #1B,

I’d call my knowledge of shotguns and shotshells just slightly above an amateur, but is it possible they went smaller than true #1 buck because it stacks a little better inside the shell? Or maybe it has just enough free movement for all the pellets to fully separate from the wad in flight. I looked a little, but I don’t see a way to obtain flite control wads for experimentation except for pulling down loaded shells.
 
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