Who still makes THIS 12 gauge 2.75-inch #1 buckshot?

[Naphtali]

A decade ago, at least Winchester, Remington, and Federal manufactured a superb defense ammunition. Without getting into nuances of each version, the basic information is this.

12 gauge, 2.75-inch, 4-dram equivalent, #1 buckshot, 20 pellets.

I have searched with three Internet search engines, and Ammoseek. But I cannot identify any manufacturer of this load. And no search included powder charge level - that is, I do not care what is its power level. I care about 20 #1 buckshot pellets.

If you know of a source of 12 gauge 2.75-inch shot shells having a payload of 20 #1 buckshot pellets, please let me know.

 

[rbernie]

The 20 pallet load is gonna be 3", no?

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/65037

 

[Kendal Black]

I haven't seen that one for sale for years. It had a good bit of kick.

 

[rbernie]

I've never gotten a #1 buck load to pattern worth a darn for me, and every 3" shell that I've ever shot proved way too flashy in low light shooting for my tastes. But if it works for ya, there ya go.

 

[GooseGestapo]

I used a good bit of those loads back in early ‘80’s.
They were 2-3/4” magnum loads.
I had a Franchi Mod 500 s/a shotgun that had a 2-3/4” only chamber.
It was VERY effective on deer. It was also the issue load for the police department I was working for.

Until looking around prompted by this thread did I know it mostly has been discontinued. I suppose the preference for 00-buck in action shooting sports has precluded its use.
The 16-pellet load won’t be significantly different and won’t appear to be handicapped due to only 4 fewer pellets.

I load most of my specialty shot shell loads these days, so it wouldn’t be a difficult proposition to load my own.
You might can find some old stock if you shop around.

 

[Panzerschwein]

The 16 pellet ones are thumpsters. A lot more surface area than 9 00 pellets and still good penetration at standard velocities.

I am not one for "reduced recoil" #1 buck loads. By cutting the veloctiy, you cut the penetration and lose the benefits of using #1 buck over #4 buck.

 

[Dan Forrester]

Keep Shooting has it. I bought a few boxes of it a couple months ago.

If I ever see something I reall want I just fill out the “notify me when in stock” thing. After you’ve long forgotten it you get a text or email notifying you it’s back in stock. I picked up a few boxes of lead B.B. shot in 12ga and 10ga this way.

Here’s the link:

https://www.keepshooting.com/winchester-xb121-super-x-buckshot.html

Dan

Edit: just noticed you had in bright red “20 pellets”.

 

[351 WINCHESTER]

A decade ago, at least Winchester, Remington, and Federal manufactured a superb defense ammunition. Without getting into nuances of each version, the basic information is this.

12 gauge, 2.75-inch, 4-dram equivalent, #1 buckshot, 20 pellets.

I have searched with three Internet search engines, and Ammoseek. But I cannot identify any manufacturer of this load. And no search included powder charge level - that is, I do not care what is its power level. I care about 20 #1 buckshot pellets.

If you know of a source of 12 gauge 2.75-inch shot shells having a payload of 20 #1 buckshot pellets, please let me know.

I used to use no. 1 buck & from Rem. & Win. it had 16 pellets, but I remember a 2 3/4" magnum load that had more, but I have not seen that ammo in a very long time. Good luck.

 

[paulsj]

I'm not sure it's the case everywhere but local Walmart has closeout on Suprema 00 buck at $7 per box of 25. While not same as Winchester 1 bk which sells for $5.97 per 5 that Spanish-made stuff seems like pretty good deal.

 

[Kendal Black]

The 20 pellet #1 Buck load more than doubled the pattern density of 00 9-pellet, which should have caught more people's attention back in the day. I'm afraid that at this date, 20 pellets is a home handicrafts project.

IIRC some people thought that the 20 pellet load gave up too much velocity compared to 16 pellets of the same stuff, and everybody said it kicked.

 

[hdbiker]

I got 10- 5 round boxes from Natchez a short while ago, 3.99 a box. hdbiker

 

[Ru4real]

Twenty years ago you could walk in and buy #1 buck. Recently I had to buy 00 buck, 9 pellet, because that's all I could find at a reasonable price.

This is what I have left, thus the need to buy more.
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[Kendal Black]

#1 Buck seems always to be the bridesmaid, never the bride. In 12 gauge you can always buy 00 and #4, the one maximizing pellet energy and the other, pattern density. The intelligent compromise goes begging. A lot of stores stock no #1 loads, of any length or pellet count.

The reason, I think, is that a great many shooters are not reflective about what they are doing. They buy according to habit and folklore. "Double aught" is what they know to ask for, because ole grandpappy (bless him) used nuttin' else. Or, "I always use double aught because that's what they gave us in the Marines."