Accidentally shot 25-35 round out of 30-30 rifle.

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Hello all, I just wanted to post some information on the importance of safety regarding an often asked hypothetical question (what happens if you shoot one caliber out of a different caliber gun?). I was at the range the other week with family shooting a number of different guns, when one of my cousins asked if they could shoot the 30-30 rifle. They loaded up the tube and began to shoot, the third shot in sounded like a light load (possibly a squib) they ejected the brass, stopped shooting took a looked at the brass and said it looked fine, he also put a cleaning rod down the barrel to make sure there was nothing stuck. Everything seemed fine, they finished shooting the ammo in the tube. That one shot had me thinking what could have been wrong with that particular round, I am pretty thorough and methodical when it comes to reloading.

Last night I was starting to resize and prime the 30-30 brass that we shot that day, as i was applying sizing wax and inspecting the cases, I noticed one of the cases was expanded (bulged) from below the shoulder to about half way down the body. The lower portion of the body to the rim was fine. I immediately looked at the head stamp, and it was a 25-35 WFC case, I checked the neck size and it matched the .308 30-30 cases. I wish I would have taken a photo of the brass, I resized it back to 25-35 to see if the brass would show any signs of stress, the brass looks fine, however I don't intend to load it. he rifle was cleaned and inspected after the range day and I didn't find any abnormalities.

How did this happen??? I am assuming there was a 25-35 bullet mixed in with the 30-30 rounds, and because of the slight difference in shape and size my cousin didn't notice when loading the rifle. resulting in the shot sounding like a lower charged round.
Or the only other thing that could have happened, is a piece of 25-35 brass was mixed in the 30-30 brass when I reloaded the batch, and somehow I loaded a .308 bullet into a .258 case mouth, and somehow didn't notice this when inspecting the finished round. Sounds impossible, but sometimes I slightly flare the case mouth for an easier bullet set, especially with flat bottom projectiles, and we all know that sometimes the bullets set like butter.

What was the outcome? Thank God everyone and everything is fine, the only thigs that were noticeable is that the shot when fired sounded like a lower charged round than that of the other 30-30 rounds, partial case body expansion, and case neck expansion to match the chamber. The Rifle seems to be fine, was shot numerous times after this shot was fired, cleaned and inspected with no noticeable issues to report. However, just because there was no severe outcome in my case, doesn't mean that it is safe to fire ammunition made for one gun in a firearm of a different caliber.

I consider myself to be overly cautious when it comes to safety, including only putting out ammo for the particular firearm that is being used at that moment. This just goes to show that you can never be to safe, I'm thankful that I could write about his moment with no bad results, but we all know that this could have been much much worse.
 
Interesting. I imagine this happened more frequently back in the day when the .25-35 was in much wider use. If/when I start reloading for my .25-35 I'll have to be extra careful not to mix in any .30-30 brass or cartridges.

How did this happen??? I am assuming there was a 25-35 bullet mixed in with the 30-30 rounds, and because of the slight difference in shape and size my cousin didn't notice when loading the rifle. resulting in the shot sounding like a lower charged round.
IMO the most likely cause was that a .25-35 CARTRIDGE made it into the batch and you guys shot that.

Or the only other thing that could have happened, is a piece of 25-35 brass was mixed in the 30-30 brass when I reloaded the batch, and somehow I loaded a .308 bullet into a .258 case mouth, and somehow didn't notice this when inspecting the finished round.

this seems more improbable to me.
 
Hello all, I just wanted to post some information on the importance of safety regarding an often asked hypothetical question (what happens if you shoot one caliber out of a different caliber gun?). I was at the range the other week with family shooting a number of different guns, when one of my cousins asked if they could shoot the 30-30 rifle. They loaded up the tube and began to shoot, the third shot in sounded like a light load (possibly a squib) they ejected the brass, stopped shooting took a looked at the brass and said it looked fine, he also put a cleaning rod down the barrel to make sure there was nothing stuck. Everything seemed fine, they finished shooting the ammo in the tube. That one shot had me thinking what could have been wrong with that particular round, I am pretty thorough and methodical when it comes to reloading.

Last night I was starting to resize and prime the 30-30 brass that we shot that day, as i was applying sizing wax and inspecting the cases, I noticed one of the cases was expanded (bulged) from below the shoulder to about half way down the body. The lower portion of the body to the rim was fine. I immediately looked at the head stamp, and it was a 25-35 WFC case, I checked the neck size and it matched the .308 30-30 cases. I wish I would have taken a photo of the brass, I resized it back to 25-35 to see if the brass would show any signs of stress, the brass looks fine, however I don't intend to load it. he rifle was cleaned and inspected after the range day and I didn't find any abnormalities.

How did this happen??? I am assuming there was a 25-35 bullet mixed in with the 30-30 rounds, and because of the slight difference in shape and size my cousin didn't notice when loading the rifle. resulting in the shot sounding like a lower charged round.
Or the only other thing that could have happened, is a piece of 25-35 brass was mixed in the 30-30 brass when I reloaded the batch, and somehow I loaded a .308 bullet into a .258 case mouth, and somehow didn't notice this when inspecting the finished round. Sounds impossible, but sometimes I slightly flare the case mouth for an easier bullet set, especially with flat bottom projectiles, and we all know that sometimes the bullets set like butter.

What was the outcome? Thank God everyone and everything is fine, the only thigs that were noticeable is that the shot when fired sounded like a lower charged round than that of the other 30-30 rounds, partial case body expansion, and case neck expansion to match the chamber. The Rifle seems to be fine, was shot numerous times after this shot was fired, cleaned and inspected with no noticeable issues to report. However, just because there was no severe outcome in my case, doesn't mean that it is safe to fire ammunition made for one gun in a firearm of a different caliber.

I consider myself to be overly cautious when it comes to safety, including only putting out ammo for the particular firearm that is being used at that moment. This just goes to show that you can never be to safe, I'm thankful that I could write about his moment with no bad results, but we all know that this could have been much much worse.
Do you shoot 25-35?
 
IMO the most likely cause was that a .25-35 CARTRIDGE made it into the batch and you guys shot that.
Yep, I too suspect that's what the cause was. :thumbup:
This just goes to show that you can never be to safe, I'm thankful that I could write about his moment with no bad results, but we all know that this could have been much much worse.
You are right - we can never be too careful, and I too am thankful the results were not worse. You're not the first person that has experienced something like that though. I once watched Dad fire a 243 Winchester CARTRIDGE in a 308 Winchester rifle. Dad had 2 Model 100 Winchester rifles (one was chambered in 243 Winchester, and the other was chambered in 308 Winchester), and one day when I was there, he wanted to test out a few rounds of the 243 ammo he had just built. So, he mistakenly grabbed his Model 100 308, and he and I headed out behind the garage (Mom and Dad lived way out in the country) to fire a few rounds.
We knew something was wrong when the first round sort of went "poof" instead of "BOOM!" But the case ejected, and a fresh round fed into the chamber. Nevertheless, Dad dropped the magazine out of the rifle, and manually ejected the fresh round. He was about to look down the barrel of his Model 100 when he noticed that it was his "old" 308 Winchester instead of his "new" 243 Winchester.
It was scary, but I doubt it would have been much worse if Dad would have grabbed a box of 308 Winchester ammo and tried to shoot them in his 243 Winchester rifle because I don't think a 308 Winchester CARTRIDGE would chamber in a 243 Winchester rifle.
 
So, he mistakenly grabbed his Model 100 308, and he and I headed out behind the garage (Mom and Dad lived way out in the country) to fire a few rounds.

Nevertheless, Dad dropped the magazine out of the rifle, and manually ejected the fresh round.
Sounds like your dad was a real gun guy, followed all the safety protocols instinctively. Good raising.

I don't think a 308 Winchester CARTRIDGE would chamber in a 243 Winchester rifle.
I think it might, someone needs to test this. Whatever the results doesn't matter anyway, shouuld never mix ammunition in such a way the wrong round could be accidently chambered, whether or not it hypothetically can't.
.300 blackout guys who also shoot their 5.56s sometimes use tape on the magazines as a clear difference between the two. My dad just exclusively uses the clear Lancer mags for .300 blackout
 
Its doubly important to keep stuff separated when others are shooting, as your adventure shows.

Back in the 1990’s I bought a Ruger Vaquero (a 4 5/8”, and my buddy bought a 5.5”) in .45 Colt to shoot SASS. I loaded a couple .30 cal ammo cans of LFN .45 Colt for us to practice with, so we took our Vaqueros out. Not thinking it may be an issue, I also brought along my S&W Model 629 .44 Mag and an ammo can full of stoutly handloaded JHP .44 magnum rounds.

Like with your rifle, during the day my buddy grabbed .44 rounds out of that ammo can and loaded up his Vaquero. (How he didn’t notice the obviously different bullets I have no idea 🤪 .)

The first (and only!) shot he fired was “spirited” compared to the sedate .45 Colt loads I had brewed up. The recoil caught him by surprise so he stopped shooting. I figured out immediately what happened, fortunately the stout old Vaquero shrugged off the load with nothing more than a split cartridge case and a bruised ego.

Lesson learned for me to double check when others grab ammo, and keep stuff separated to reduce a repeat of this oopsy.

Glad there was no damage to shooter or gun! :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
A guy at our gun club lost two fingers and damn near an eye using the wrong ammo in his rifle. I never fully understood how it happened, but he put a round in the chamber with a projectile too large for the barrel. The pictures of the gun showed the action in pieces and the stock blown off the rear of the gun. Surprisingly, the scope was still attached.
 
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Some years ago a cousin got a few 30-30 rounds and shot them in a 32 SPL rifle he had just purchased. They all went down range but none hit the 2 foot square cardboard target .308 bullet in a .312 bore was not anywhere accurate and when we cleaned the barrel it was so corroded it mimicked a smoothbore.
Your 25 cal bullet in a 30 cal bore was allowing the gasses to go around the bullet. Only neck tension on the brass created weak expantion of the gasses. You could have probably thrown the bullet harder than the rifle shot it.
 
I've seen someone fire 256 win mag out of a 300 wby, more than once. Even knew a guy that shot 270 out of a 30-06, just to get idea of what kind of accuracy it had.

I'm not a fan of mix/match gun sessions myself, if there are any compatible calibers.
 
They all went down range but none hit the 2 foot square cardboard target .308 bullet in a .312 bore was not anywhere accurate and when we cleaned the barrel it was so corroded it mimicked a smoothbore.

I once fired .312 size bullets (32 S&W) rounds out of a Rast & Gasser, a 8mm Gasser revolver. The normal diamter of those is .319 but i've never been able to find proper ammunition for it. Discovered 32 S&W fires through it not too bad.

The only time I've "accidently" fired the wrong caliber it wasn't quite the wrong caliber. It was the Arisaka that had been reamed out to a different chambering but never figured out what, it was probably started but never finished. The first one was factory PPU 7.7 Jap. It sounded really loud, the bolt was really sticky. We inspected the reciever and the bolt, no damage. The case was expanded. I made a thread about it a couple years ago.
Eventually I decided since it is what it is, I loaded up some 7.7 Japs to a lower pressure to fireform in the unknown reamed out Arisaka and fired those. Worked very well now it was being purposely done.
 
Open comono moment. I inserted a 30 round AR mag into a rifle and cycled the bolt forward, started to shoulder the rifle when I noticed the bolt wasn’t fully forward (Benefit of being a lefty). Dropped magazine and cycled bolt back and a .300 Blackout round ejected. Problem was, the rifle was a new .223 AR I built for my daughter.

Needless to say, I now use magazine bands to identify which ones are loaded for .223 and those for .300 BO.
 
It’s always a little nerve-racking when this kind of mix up happens, but it’s exceptionally rare that anything bad ever does happen - because care was taken to be sure nothing bad CAN happen… almost always…

I doubt it would have been much worse if Dad would have grabbed a box of 308 Winchester ammo and tried to shoot them in his 243 Winchester rifle because I don't think a 308 Winchester CARTRIDGE would chamber in a 243 Winchester rifle.
I think it might, someone needs to test this.

308win does not fit into a 243win - the neck interference does not allow it to close. Equally, the same happens for 260rem and 7-08rem in a 243win. Like most SAAMI approved cartridges sharing a similar case, the dimensional designs do not allow a dangerous combination to happen. Yes, MANY smaller caliber cartridges will fit into and fire from a larger caliber sibling or parent, but the reverse is ALMOST never true.

Cartridge designers and the SAAMI clearinghouse are pretty good at their jobs. There are tricks like using the same shoulder diameter on a shortened cartridge to preclude chambering in a longer, smaller diameter cartridge, such as the fact 308win will not close into a 270win chamber. Yes, we can fit and fire 7rem mag from 300wm, and fire 260rem from 308, but no, we cannot fit ALMOST any larger caliber cartridge into a smaller caliber relative’s chamber.

The 300blackout is an odd and unfortunate exception, and rifles are destroyed every year because of it. This ONLY happens because the bullets used for supersonic loads in Blackout are generally short enough to be chambered shorter than the SHOULDER of a 223/5.56 chamber, because the shoulder of the 300blk is pushed back sufficiently far to allow it. In other combinations where the same case head is used for a shorter case but a larger caliber bullet, the shoulder dimensions are changed OR the neck position remains sufficiently long to cause interference to preclude chambering - such as 308win shoulder interference in a 270win chamber. Even 308win doesn’t chamber into 280 AI. Naturally, there are things like chambering a smaller diameter case which ALSO has a shorter case length, such as shooting 308win in a 7 Rem mag which just can’t be precluded, but by and large, with the exception of the 300blk, SAAMI has done a great job of precluding dangerous over-caliber combinations from happening.

So we just blow a “poof” around bullets and our hands shake a little thinking about what COULD have happened in our imagination, but ALMOST always, everything is just fine.
 
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Open comono moment. I inserted a 30 round AR mag into a rifle and cycled the bolt forward, started to shoulder the rifle when I noticed the bolt wasn’t fully forward (Benefit of being a lefty). Dropped magazine and cycled bolt back and a .300 Blackout round ejected. Problem was, the rifle was a new .223 AR I built for my daughter.

One reason why my 300 stays loaded and doesn't come out with the others. Much different outcome than the OP's, if you had fired, you wouldn't have been the first to KB one or the last...
 
One reason why my 300 stays loaded and doesn't come out with the others. Much different outcome than the OP's, if you had fired, you wouldn't have been the first to KB one or the last...
Yea it’s happened time and time again to others and I’ve been careful for years, but that 1 time…..it’s all it takes.
 
A 25-35 in a .30-30 rifle is not going to damage it, but shows you need to tighten up on ammo management.

I had a coworker who shot .25-35 Winchester ammunition in his .25-36 Marlin rifle. It didn't do anything funny except fireform to the Marlin chamber, accuracy was good enough for him to exercise the old rifle occasionally.

How about a .30-30 from a .35 Rem rifle?

I haven't heard of this one. .30-30 in a .32 Special is not uncommon.

.303 Savage in a .303 British is no doubt exciting.
 
Be careful of what you pickup at the range. I was shooting my 6.5 CM & picked up all the dropped brass to reload. When I started reloading the brass I noticed one case was a little harder to push through the sizing die. But I didn't catch it until I measured the cases to sort out the ones that needed to be trimed. I had one case that had a lot to trim off. After checking this case I found it was a .243 case. I trimed it down to 6.5 CM size & loaded it light, this is how I found I can resize .243s into 6.5 CMs.
 
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A few years ago my friend shot my .221 Fireball round out of his 6ppc rail gun he did not get hurt but the gun was not so lucky. I don't know the damage but it did have to go to the gunsmith.
 
It’s always a little nerve-racking when this kind of mix up happens, but it’s exceptionally rare that anything bad ever does happen - because care was taken to be sure nothing bad CAN happen… almost always…




308win does not fit into a 243win - the neck interference does not allow it to close. Equally, the same happens for 260rem and 7-08rem in a 243win. Like most SAAMI approved cartridges sharing a similar case, the dimensional designs do not allow a dangerous combination to happen. Yes, MANY smaller caliber cartridges will fit into and fire from a larger caliber sibling or parent, but the reverse is ALMOST never true.

Cartridge designers and the SAAMI clearinghouse are pretty good at their jobs. There are tricks like using the same shoulder diameter on a shortened cartridge to preclude chambering in a longer, smaller diameter cartridge, such as the fact 308win will not close into a 270win chamber. Yes, we can fit and fire 7rem mag from 300wm, and fire 260rem from 308, but no, we cannot fit ALMOST any larger caliber cartridge into a smaller caliber relative’s chamber.

The 300blackout is an odd and unfortunate exception, and rifles are destroyed every year because of it. This ONLY happens because the bullets used for supersonic loads in Blackout are generally short enough to be chambered shorter than the SHOULDER of a 223/5.56 chamber, because the shoulder of the 300blk is pushed back sufficiently far to allow it. In other combinations where the same case head is used for a shorter case but a larger caliber bullet, the shoulder dimensions are changed OR the neck position remains sufficiently long to cause interference to preclude chambering - such as 308win shoulder interference in a 270win chamber. Even 308win doesn’t chamber into 280 AI. Naturally, there are things like chambering a 308win into a 7 Rem mag which just can’t be precluded, but by and large, with the exception of the 300blk, SAAMI has done a great job of precluding dangerous over-caliber combinations from happening.

So we just blow a “poof” around bullets and our hands shake a little thinking about what COULD have happened in our imagination, but ALMOST always, everything is just fine.
Well said Varminterror, Thanks.
 
There was a recent thread on 7mm '06 Remington = .280 Remington = 7mm Remington Express, back to .280.
In the Express phase, there were customers who thought 7mm Express was the same as 7mm Magnum. Of course a Magnum would not chamber in an Express, but an Express in a Magnum rifle would give fireworks as the undersize case let go.
 
A 25-35 in a .30-30 rifle is not going to damage it, but shows you need to tighten up on ammo management.
100%, when something like this happens it makes you question your diligence, and I thought I was overly cautious and on top of things. Just goes to show all it does it take is one minor distraction and or loss of focus and mistakes happen. Thanks,
 
Be careful of what you pickup at the range. I was shooting my 6.5 CM & picked up all the dropped brass to reload. When I started reloading the brass I noticed one case was a little harder to push through the sizing die. But I didn't catch it until I measured the cases to sort out the ones that needed to be trimed. I had one case that had a lot to trim off. After checking this case I found it was a .270 case. I trimed it down to 6.5 CM size & loaded it light, this is how I found I can resize .270s into 6.5 CMs.
Isn’t .270 Win quite a bit longer than 6.5 Creed??
 
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