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Oh hell, posted it in the wrong place. Mods can you please move it or delete it.
(This is what I get for writing two posts at the same time).
 
Other reasons why 911 calls aren't answered:

911 Nightmare Uncovered in Investigative Report
November 1, 2007



Debbie Dujanovic Reporting
Produced by Kelly Just

KSL has uncovered case after case of 911 nightmares! For weeks, investigative reporter Debbie Dujanovic has pursued an inside tip about Valley Emergency Communications, 911 calls and a system that's failing us.

It doesn't matter the day, the time or the emergency, panicked 911 callers are being left in limbo. So we investigated. A national organization, local law enforcement and now the 911 center itself says there's a huge problem.

Call 911 and you expect help right away. Instead you get this: "You've reached 911. Please do not hang up. Stay on the line for the next available operator."

Susan Mathis called in the middle of the night to report a loud fight outside. She told KSL, "If those men had been in my house, I would've been dead. It was just a recording, it wasn't even a person."

It was the same message for Adrian Brewer and KSL reporter Courtney Orton. Her husband owns a sandwich shop and they were trying to revive a teen passed out on the floor.

"It blows me away that you can get a message like that when you call 911," Orton said.

In David Hale's case, one of the worst we found, he thought his buddy was dying! He called five times! KSL obtained the recordings of those frantic minutes on hold.

"Hello. Hello."
"Oh my God, call 911."
"I am. Hello?"
"Try calling 911."
"This is a joke. How can it not come through? Oh my God. Where's the dispatcher? This is a joke."

No one ever picked up for him. In desperation, David finally found a phone book and dialed the police department, so his friend survived.

You might expect jammed 911 lines during a major emergency, but the center's internal memos and our investigation reveal it doesn't matter if it's a busy time or not. Calls made at at 3 a.m., 11 a.m., and 8 p.m. were all put on hold with people waiting minutes for a live person. Plus, the message gives no idea how long you might be holding.

Richard Taylor, President of the National Association of State 911 Administrators, said, "I don't think it would be acceptable in most centers in the country today."

That national 911 association pointed to more problems. The message plays just once, then nothing. Callers think they've been disconnected and call back.

Taylor adds, "It is not clear, nor is it long enough for me to understand."

So we took specific examples to Valley Emergency, like this one: with her husband tearing up their home, a woman called 911 and tried 12 times to get through.

We asked William Harry, with Valley Emergency, if that woman did something wrong. He replied, "Yes, if you call the center and get the message, 'You've reached the 911 center, do not hang up,' don't hang up. You'll be attended to as soon as an operator is available. If you do hang up and call back, it goes to the end of the line."

The center agrees it has a problem with not enough staff to keep up with the calls. So they spent $1 million on a new system, figuring it was better to put folks on hold than to just let the phone ring. Now calls end up in a queue.

Harry said, "Going into a queue is a misnomer, in that it's not really being placed on hold, that's just the way our telephone system answers the calls when there are no call-takers available."

Salt Lake County Undersheriff Beau Babka has big concerns. Not only does Valley Emergency answer the county's 911 calls, but when the sheriff's office had its own medical emergency, its 911 call ended up on hold.

"Something has to be mitigated here, because we just can't have it, we can't have it," Babka said.

After we met with Valley Emergency, it made changes. As of today, the message is more clear, with better instructions. It will also launch an ad campaign to educate the public. It had already planned to add 11 call-takers.

Even so, due to a variety of concerns, Salt Lake County is developing plans to answer its own 911 calls.
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=481&sid=2077061
 
Very true. Don't forget the disorganization of the system. I seem to remember a recent story about someone in Denver that died because the dispatchers were trying to decide which precinct should actually respond to the call.
 
When seconds count..........*your call is very important to us, please hold for the next available operator* .......hold music playing the theme from MASH.....*please conitnue to stay on the line all operators are busy helping other victims*..........
 
The other side of this coin is that people who call 911 for non-emergencies should be punished somehow. Perhaps something similar to a traffic ticket.
 
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LOL. That guy goes, "Oh my god, I think we're dying!! We had some brownies and I think we are dying - time is going by really, really, really, slow." What a dip----. I agree that people who abuse 9-1-1 ought to be issued a fine for a civil infraction.
 
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One of Oleg's early ones, and still very effective.

Even if 911 does come through...
Even if the police do arrive in time...
Even if the police do decide to get involved...
What makes you think they'll do any good?
 
A lot of folks really don't have a clue. A lot of folks think the world revolves around them and everyone owes them. There really should be very strict punishment for this type of stupidity. It's really no different than interfering with an ambulance, fire truck or police car on a call (then again, I've seen a lot of that too).
 
DMK,

Good post and I agree.

Folks use Cell Phones to call 911 to ask how long to microwave a baked potato.
What is this new number? 311? For non emergency emergencies or something they have or will come out with?

I did not grow up with 911, or cell phones or...
I "think" I have dialed 911 twice, and this early on when it first came out.
And once I think it was with Police to test something on the system for a area in a smaller town.

LBJ would be so proud, Gubmint gonna take care of you...

Personally - I would like to see 911 disbanded.
My generation grew up with kids knowing how to dial the rotary phone to contact Police, Fire, Ambulance and other Professionals...

Oh and how to cook a damn baked potato before microwaves were invented.
 
A fine or punitive charge?

No, people who call 911 about utterly stupid stuff should be charged with, oh, misdemeanor accidental homicide, if there is such a thing. And the operators (not the people on the phones - they've got enough sh*t to contend with - the people who 'manage' such facilities, such as the one that paid $1 million for a new phone switching system instead of simply hiring more people) should be charged with negligent homicide.
 
911 tip:
On a cellphone, depending on where you are, your call can end up going to the state police. When I lived in California, the DPS callcenter got cellphone 911 calls. That line was very often clogged.

Instead, get the local city police emergency numbers, and put those in your cellphone. In my phone, they are all under like:
zzz_First city
zzz_Second City
etc...
 
people who call 911 asking for directions or help with their burger should be charged with filing a false police report and heavily fined. (in excess of 500 dollars)

I havve called 911 3 times, once to get help for a girl at a party who had WAY too much to drink and was unconcious, and twice to report traffic accidents that happened right in front of me.
 
The 911 operator has a script to follow, that basically works like a flow chart. If they can't check the blocks then they can't route the call with the correct information.

Even if you live in an area with great police response times, many crimes are still well within the reactionary gap of the system. What most people don't understand is that the police generally catch the bad guy *after* the crime has taken place.

The "911 as a weapon" mentality continues to exist because nobody holding a political office and spending the taxpayers money on the system wants to take the podium and say "911 is a great system, but you are going to be on your own for about 5 (10, 15, 20...) minutes. Have a plan."

I don't think 911 is a bad idea, but there are some technical limitations to the system that makes it much more effective for medical emergencies than for crime intervention.

I would love to get a copy of the 911 operator script.
 
I've called 911 a few times. Reported fires, EDP screaming and cursing as he trashed his family car in a parking lot. But I have the county dispatcher's number on speed dial on my cell, because it's a lot faster and simpler.
 
I've got the local dispatcher direct numbers on my phone as well, it does save time.

A few years ago I was at the local university taking a night class. An incident started to occur so I dialed 911. The large city police transferred me to the Campus police due to where the incident started. Campus police transferred me to a neighboring small town police department because the incident had moved off campus. The small town police department number they transferred me to was disconnected and no longer in service. The incident had now moved beyond my sight and hearing so I could be of no further direct help so I went home. The incident didn't appear to be life threatening, but did warrant a 911 call. Time frame from when I first dialed 911 to when I gave up was about 3 full minutes including being put on hold a few times. After that I looked up the direct numbers for the places I regularly visit.
 
In my county they add a 50 cent per month surcharge to your phone bill for 911. Now they want to up that since they installed a system that does not work real well and supposedly needs replacement.

I spent a fair amount of time on site at one of our customers. Did not know her real well, but one of the gals who worked there had a friend who was a 911 dispatcher. To hear her talk, most of the dispatchers were young girls looking to meet cops and firemen and have wild sex in the back rooms at the dispatch center.

One of the more interesting stories was how they got caught. Purportedly, someone called 911 and could not get through and was both pissed and connected, and made a big stink about it. An investigation then revealed there was only one of the four operators who were supposed to be manning the phones at the time actually on duty. The other three were apparently doing something not duty related, along with the shift supervisor. This led to a number of openings for dispatchers. Apparently several cops and firemen got snagged as well, but their respective unions got them off the hook somehow.
 
Even when I was robbed some years ago, I just called the Salt Lake City Police directly. They answered immediately, and responded within minutes. Hell, they even caught the guys and developed a successful case for prosecution.

911 only seems viable if I am unable to speak and just dial 911 so they can find me before I am completely dead. However, in the event of a criminal attack, just have your local police on speed dial. It is much faster than the 911 middle-man.
 
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