Restoring my father's S&W Model 66 for Father's Day

Status
Not open for further replies.
darn. A snag.

I was unscrewing the horizontal sight windage adjustment screw. I knew it had a pin/ratchet type system to look out for. I unscrew it, and carefully place it down trying not to dislodge the pin just yet until I figure out where to put it.

Well, wouldn't you know it. I tripped, hit the table, and the shaking table dislodged the pin, and it rolled somewhere. That thing is TINY. So now it's hide and seek with another small part.

In the meantime, just in case, I ordered from Brownells "036390000 REAR SIGHT PLUNGER SPRING) for the Model 66. I am a little concerned as it doesn't mention the pin, just the spring. I'm hoping it has both.

For less than $2, if that is a fix, great. Otherwise I'm going to need to clean up the shop to find this thing tiny thing amongst all the dirt and metal shavings/chips on the table and floor.

This project would be easy, if it weren't for my clumsiness.
 
Here is the problem. The part that has been lost and I need to obtain a replacement.

problempart.gif
 
Here is the entire schematic from Brownells.

sw-kframe.gif
 
First off, forget where all of your power tools are stored. That includes Dremel tools, belt sanders and the like. It takes just a few seconds to get a dished out spot that you will be trying to get rid of for a very long time.

Get some 600 grit emory cloth to polish out deep scratches, gouges etc. Stay flat. Use a piece of glass or a block of wood to keep things flat.

If you want the finish to look original, go to an auto parts store and get some grey Scotchbrite pads. Wipe the finish in the direction you want the grain to go, or compare it to an original if you want. It will give it a very sexy satin look. If you like the nickel look, keep going with the Mothers and a rag.

Do NOT use steel wool on a stainless gun. The carbon can imbed in the stainless and act as a seed for rust.

When you are done polishing all the metal and it looks like you think it should, wash ALL the parts with hot soapy water, dishwashing detergent works fine, use a toothbrush and get every bit of grit, sand, metal shaving, Mother, Flitz, whatever, out of the parts. Rinse them in boilng water a couple times, dry them with a blow dryer and then shoot everything with WD-40, wipe everything off and then lubricate all the parts with a good gun oil and reassemble. (Thats one of the few times I would suggest WD-40 on guns, but, for its purpose, make sure the parts are clean and devoid of moisture, it works well)

If the stocks have metal medallions, and, I'm sure they do, it would be very rare if the were plastic, you should be good with the following.

Take the grips and drop them in a bowl of pure acetone. Use toothpicks and a toothbrush to scrub out all the checkering. Let them soak for awhile until all the old finish floats off. You may have to do that for awhile.

When they are bone dry they will look like crap. They will look ashen. Start with some very fine emory cloth to get all the dings out. Avoid the checkering as much as you possibly can, its a bitch to get those points back up if you sand them down. Go to 0000 steel wool and work the heck out of the wood until every last trace of the sanding is gone. Coat the wood with a satin Tung oil. (glossy if you prefer, but, I think it looks a little too shiney) And work it in to the wood with your fingers, set it down and wait a day or so under warm conditions to let it dry. Lightly buff with 0000 steel wool, and put another coat. If you screw up, return to the acetone. Smith actually used pretty nice wood, if you can bring that finish back, they should look really nice. And, good luck,
 
Why are you removing the rear sight windage screw...????? :uhoh:

You don't need to do so for your restoration project, and it's not supposed to be removed. The nut on the other end was staked to the screw, and usually if the screw is removed, it and the nut are replaced. Removing the screw is a sure way to lose the windage spring and detent.

You may have to remove the rear sight assembly from the frame, but there is no good reason to disassemble the sight unless you have to replace a broken slide (the part with the notch in it). After replacing the screw and nut you are supposed to stake the screw with a chisel punch - which I doubt you have.

If you keep going Brownells is going to make a big pile of $$$$$!
 
You can order that part from Brownell's--just be aware that they have a minimum $10.00 shipping charge.

Alternatively, call S&W Monday a.m. and see what it would cost there.

I would also suggest that with the next Brownell's order, you buy the Kuehnhausen S&W Revolver manual and the NRA assembly-disassembly manual.

Jim H.
 
sgt127 - I plan to just polish the mother out of it (pun intended considering that I'll be using "Mothers Mag Polish".

I want it to have a mirror-finish. Nickel - if that's what it's typically called. Ordinarily, I like satin, but the current satin is horrible IMO on this 66.

It will all shine. I tinkered with the idea of blueing the hammer, trigger, and cylinder latch, or color case hardening them, but decided against it (especially color case hardening the hammer which could cause it to chip at the pin.

I then plan to wash it all out well. I wasn't going to use WD-40, I was going to use RemOil for the Teflon properties. Then lube with Hoppes Elite.

Reassemble, and then clean it with Hoppes Elite cleaner and lube regular points with Hoppes Elite oil (I'm testing this stuff out for the first time as I've been a BreakFree CLP guy for a while now).

As for the grips, I plan to get the S&W "factory" grips in rosewood with finger grooves round-butt from Midway. I will then coat with automotive lacquer and polish to a glass-like finish.

That's the plan so far. If time allows, maybe some engraving by a professional.
 
Old Fuff - calm down. I was removing it because I noticed that the bottom of the rear sight aperture was rusted. I wanted to clear it of rust and any rust that may be in the rear sight assembly.

You can't restore a firearm, without removing rust. That's half of the point.

No need to get upset. It isn't your money. It's mine.

You have to remember, this gun had spent nearly 20 years in a wood office drawer in a room with many windows, more or less on the Atlantic ocean. Between the salty sea-air and the humidity, rust is a problem when a gun is not maintained at all from the day it was bought.

I'm taking it upon myself to undo the damage done by years of neglect, and make it look great in the process. No harm there as far as I can see.

jfh - will do. I don't own many revolvers. Only a few J-frames. I'm mainly a semi-auto guy. I do plan to get into more revolvers though, so I'll definitely get those books. Aside from this little piece though, everything is going smoothly. Question though:
You can order that part from Brownell's--just be aware that they have a minimum $10.00 shipping charge.

What part number. I ordered part number 40. Was that right?

As for Brownells getting rich - aside from shipping, I only paid $1.60 I believe.
 
"...I want it to have a mirror-finish..." Assuming your da wants a highly polished SS revolver, use jeweller's rouge and a cloth wheel in a bench grinder(polishing with a rotary tool will take forever. Don't use one for any smithing work). Eye protection is mandatory.
A tube of Flitz and a soft, lint free cloth will work as well. In any case, do not polish the top of the revolver to a mirror finish. Causes too much glare.
"...Do NOT use steel wool on a stainless gun..." Yep. Steel wool will scratch the SS into next week.
 
I made an earlier mistake. I said I might have been better off ordering part number 37 instead of 40.

I mispoke. Screw part number 37 is still in place.

It's screw part number 43 that had to come out, and part number 40 was lost when it dislodged from 43 and went somewhere.
 
Old Fuff - calm down.

O.K. I will, but frankly, I have pulled apart a few Smith & Wesson revolvers in my (long) time, and I'm just trying to keep you from making what could be an expensive mistake.

I wouldn't expect the rear sight to be too rusty, as it is made from stainless steel. The usual procedure is to fill a small bottle with penetrating oil, drop in the sight, and screw on the cap. In a couple of days a stiff toothbrush will remove any remaining rust. Next to no chance of any small parts getting lost.

No need to get upset. It isn't your money. It's mine.

True, but it is your Dad's revolver, and my mission in life is to save poor, neglected revolvers... ;)

I'm taking it upon myself to undo the damage done by years of neglect, and make it look great in the process. No harm there as far as I can see.

I'm all for it, but there is a right way, and a wrong one, in how you go about it. Sometimes I sense things that perhaps you aren't. :uhoh:
 
I wouldn't expect the rear sight to be too rusty, as it is made from stainless steel. The usual procedure is to fill a small bottle with penetrating oil, drop in the sight, and screw on the cap. In a couple of days a stiff toothbrush will remove any remaining rust. Next to no chance of any small parts getting lost.

That's actually not a bad idea. I should have thought of that yesterday.
 
I tinkered with the idea of blueing the hammer, trigger, and cylinder latch, or color case hardening them, but decided against it (especially color case hardening the hammer which could cause it to chip at the pin.

The hammer and trigger on your dad's 66 are almost certainly made from case hardened steel that was flash chromed to match the stainless finish. Best to leave them alone as you decided.

Good luck with the restoration!
 
To clarify--

The WD40 suggestion was not for lubrication--it was for making use of WD40's finest property--that being water displacement.

The poster recommended the WD40 after the hot water, as a method to drive out any residual moisture.

Then wipe off the WD40 and use your favorite lubricant.
 
As a couple people have tried to gently suggest- not everybody likes a high gloss mirror polish on stainless guns. You point out your money & your preferences, what about your Dad's preferences?
Also kinda get the impression you may not entirely know what you're doing.
Denis
 
What Dpris said!!

I have a gun that looks like heck. So do I, but that gun and I earned those nicks,scars,and dings in the performance of our duties many years ago.

I would really be displeased if someone refinished that gun without my approval or knowledge.

It would make a gun that means a lot to me into another "retread" and I would probably dump it.
 
I think what .cheese. is doing is a great idea. My oldest son took an old shotgun and refurbished and re-finished it and gave it to me and it is one of my most valued possessions just because he cared enough to do it for me. I think any father would feel proud to have his son do something like that for him.
 
excuse a novice question but....

Polishing with mothers or flitz, are you polishing the internal parts for better smoother trigger pulls, or are you polishing the exterior for a gleaming gun?

If it is the exterior, how does that work on blued guns? Wouldn't that take the bluing off?
 
my dad isn't a gun guy. He hasn't even touched it since he shot it one time after buying it 20 years ago. That's not because it is a collector's piece. It's because he doesn't care about guns, or it in particular. It has been sitting in a drawer along with the same ammo for 20 years just in case we have a break-in.

He basically bought the cheapest used gun he could find that was in ok condition after the alarm went off one day and he realized he couldn't do anything but call the police and hope all is ok. So he went to a pawn store that was also a gun store and bought this Model 66 along with some ammo. The original factory grips were in horrible shape (disgusting looking from wear) so he bought the cheapest rubber replacements they had. I know this because he's told me so.

I can assure you that he is not going to wish that the original finish had been left. The worst thing that can happen is that he won't care about how much better it looks. I know his tastes though, and I don't think that will happen.

The few times I took him to gun shows, he liked the guns that looked more or less like what I'm turning this into.

Also kinda get the impression you may not entirely know what you're doing.

I will admit I have never done this type of job before. I'm not a gunsmith. I have taken apart J-frames and put them back together several times. I have polished some parts with Birchwood Casey Lead Remover to a mirror finish on several occasions, and I have modified guns slightly to be more to my liking.

This is not as much beyond what I am capable of, but it is beyond the amount of effort I have ever put into a firearm. I am confident it will turn out well though.

So, no, I'm not an expert, but I'm fairly certain I'll do fine on this. Life is full of challenges. I want to do something special for my dad, so I'm willing to take on this challenge.

Worst case scenario, since he doesn't care: I'll buy him a new Ruger. It isn't going to come to that, although I may still do it as well as I had planned that for his birthday last year. It's coming back up in August, so he might get both a refinished and "pimped" Model 66, and a GP100 for all I know.

Also - today I bought the pistol case. The embroidering people weren't sure they could get the needle all the way through though as it is padded. I have to take it back Monday to speak to the manager and have them test it. If it's ok, I'm going to have them embroider his name across the case.

A local PD guy suggested maybe I have the gun engraved with his name too, but I decided against it just in case he does catch the bug one day and decides to sell this gun towards purchasing a new one.

My mother is going to chip in for some nice grips and we'll order them Monday.
 
.cheese.
I bet your dad really likes the effort you put in to restore his gun, even if he’s not a gun guy. And I think working on your dads gun and your own is great. I bet a lot of people haven’t done as much as you have as far as working on their gun. Experience is a good teacher even if in learning you make a few mistakes. My hats off to you. Good luck.

Oh, and by the way, I think the Model 66 would probably be better for your dad than a new GP100.
The Model 66 is lighter with a better trigger than the GP100.
Get your dad some 38 Specials and take him to the range. I bet he surprises you.

.
 
Experience is a good teacher even if in learning you make a few mistakes. My hats off to you. Good luck.

Thank you sir. :)

I agree about the 66 having a better trigger than the GP100. To my knowledge, the biggest selling point on the 66 vs the 19 when Smith replaced the 19 with the 66 was the target type trigger. It is very smooth even in its current condition. I hope to be able to restore it back to its original smoothness during this job.

btw - I polished the cylinder today to a mirror finish. It looks amazing. It took a lot longer than I thought it would though. I must have been hand polishing it for a good 2 and a half hours or more before I was satisfied with the finish. Next up: the frame and sideplate (I'll do them separately).

I think I should be able to have everything polished in the next 2 weeks if I work on it in my spare time.

Also, I figured that while it would ruin the surprise factor, I told my dad that for his Father's day gift, I'm going to make his gun look better than it was the day it was new. I told him just to not freak out if he notices it's missing from the safe, because I have it.

I did this before I started polishing today. He seemed intrigued if nothing else. So at least no negative reaction - which gave me the green light to start the polishing.

Now, if somebody could help me with this plunger pin issue, I would be very grateful. I'll call Brownells Monday to make sure I ordered the right part. If they don't know, I'll call Smith.

In post number 27 I highlighted the lost part in red. Number 40 which I ordered, I worry might be just the spring.
 
If your dad is not a gun guy then why all this effort in something he obviously doesn't care for? Why not choose something that he holds dear to his heart? This project is for you not him as everything you are doing is what you like while just saying you know he will like it.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top