Ruger AR-15

fecal matter or not
im not bashing the product ive always felt that Ruger makes good guns (even the recalled ones are great once fixed)
BUT...

do we really need yet ANOTHEr ar variant on an allready overfilled market?

i honestly think that what others have mentioned about an American Made AK would have been a much bigger statement and maybe a bigger success if they built it to there standard and not the old rooskies way

anyone with even a minute of gun knowledge can name 10 or more AR manufacturers

maybe if they get a .308 version out i may take a look

Try building one for less with the same specs before bitching about it.

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To tell the truth...(well, buying the upper complete, IMO piston conversions are not all that great) That is easy. You can build a lower for around $300-$350, right? Pair that with a POF upper at $1325. Oh, you still get the better stuff on the upper.

Several people are missing the point. Ruger's strong point has always been their price point. Not many folks could manufacture as fine a weapon system for the same kind of money.

Ruger has built a rifle that can have the price point beat, and there are better weapons out there for the same price.... yawn is right.

Look at my posts.... I'm not just some Ruger hater. I like Ruger alot, but you have to be honest. Ruger messed up.

And, Dimis makes a great point. I'd bet they could have built a real high quality AK/Galil/Valmet inspired variant, more accurate, nicer, better sights, etc. for around $1000. And, it would have been a much better idea than what they did. But, Ruger doesn't listen to me, and they didn't listen to Dimis. They're gonna lose money here and they only have themselves to blame.

Davidson's Has them listed but No Price yet!

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These are gonna be great, they're giving them away...

Item # 5902-RUG
MSRP: $0.00

Yay...free ARs, I just hope it doesn't blow up...YAY.

well, for me, the price is to high anyway. but it also has a lot of chromed items in it. given rugers recent recall status, and all of the extra chroming, i would want to see several "torture tested" first. something in the vicinity of 20,000 rounds or so. if the chrome holds up, and if the price comes down, then, maybe.

"To tell the truth...(well, buying the upper complete, IMO piston conversions are not all that great) That is easy. You can build a lower for around $300-$350, right? Pair that with a POF upper at $1325. Oh, you still get the better stuff on the upper"


upper is $1375 if you can find one from POF, the lower won't be $350 built with even a cheapie 6 position stock. but let's say $400 in current climate ( saw them selling - cheap ones, for $450 with A2 stocks at this months gun show)

so taht's $1775. oh, and it's another $275 for troy's

so $2050 even on your shoestring. so for $50 less with one/none shipping to pay and a 'single throat to choke' if it doesn't cycle makes me think people kinda overreacted when bashing it's price point.

hey, what do i know, i'm on a waiting list for an LWRC so i'm a bit biased....

the lower won't be $350 built with even a cheapie 6 position stock. but let's say $400 in current climate ( saw them selling - cheap ones, for $450 with A2 stocks at this months gun show)

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really, we can't count the "rush" into this, or the ruger will sell for more too. So, go to stag arms website, they have lowers similar to Rugers for $290. Then you count the $260 (POF website) for the troys... $550+$1375=1925 . So, still under. And that is with a much nicer upper, the barrel on POFs alone is worth a quite a bit. Really, i am not against this rifle, if the actual retail price drops a few points (call it $500 drop or so, maybe even $300 will do) then i will say this is a great gun for the money. Still no for $2k though...

counter point, i did chuckle when i picked up a mag yesterday and saw a paraOrd AR (based on the ZM spring on the gas rod/key) and a Barret, and a KAC SR-15, all in one issue... all i could think was: wow, that's a lot of AR variants

plus side: more in the marketplace and in people's hands, should give the 'black rifle' more supporters come referendum time
down side: how many will work as advertised? (and we have another wave of 'Nam era growing pains with failures of the derivations...)

If I get an AR, it will be this one. It will also be in a couple of months when the price has come down some and the quality has been proven.

"really, we can't count the "rush" into this" i'm sure they did when they were figuring msrp... fair for us to do the same.

just saying it's in the ball park if you cover the brand with black tape and assume it's going to last a 3-4 day carbine course. so that's the big question, is it any good, even at 1500...

does it take special mags?

well since bills gone ruger will do what customers want now at a higher price

They are just trying to get their hand in the AR game. However, at nearly $2000, they are sure to fail. You can buy, make, or modify any current AR and end up with probably a better weapon than what the Ruger is offering and still be under the Ruger MSRP. A Colt 6920 or 6940 isn't nearly that expensive, even at today's outrageous prices.

If Ruger wanted to capitalize in the AR market, they would have introduced an AR at or below current prices or offered something vastly different. At least the Sig and MicroTech look different than their AR counterparts.

2000 bucks????????


HA HAAAH AHAHAH AHAHAH HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!


Yer killin' me!!!! *wipes tears away*



Looks cool, though. I think I'd buy one for half price or so.

Boooooorrrinngggg.....

I do find it interesting that a major manufacturer, whom you would think would have inside sources on such things, isn't afraid to introduce a brand new rifle, with all the the costs involved with such a venture, during a time when many fear a return of a legislative ban on such guns.

But then, maybe Congress' promise to exempt Ruger products is still in force after Bill Sr. stabbed us in the back in 1994 in a deal with the Devil.

It does look like Ruger's prohibition against magazines over 10 round capacity (or 20 more recently) is off the table.

For $2,000 I'll keep my SP1 that I've had since 1979.

Guys,

Most are missing the point. For another 'MAJOR' manufacturer to bring out an AR platform, this only helps the RKBA. Remember the Heller caveat......"common use". The more AR rifles in the hands of the American public the better!!!

I realize that there are people here that remember the 'dark days' of the Clinton era, but I have to go back to the start of the company back in the 50's. They have built some of the best pistols/revolvers and rifles for the best prices this country has seen for a 'large' manufacturer. People complain about the investment cast but, I have shot some stout loads out of my Redhawk and Bisley Blackhawk with absolutely no problems. So have hundreds of others out there. Yes, there have been recalls, but so have almost every manufacturer of firearms.

This is an American company, using other American company products, built by Americans.....it is all good!!! Could they have brought out another entry priced AR??? Yes, but they would have been competing with all the other entry companies.......what's the use in that?? Almost everyone I see buying a new AR wants the 'railed' foregrip, they want flip up sites, and the piston move is what almost all manufacturers are getting into. I'm hoping that they do well. I have been using Ruger products since the 60's and really haven't had any trouble with any of them.

Ruger says,

"Me too!"

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OK. So, they now make a piston-driven AR. I'm underwhelmed, but I'm willing to see what about it makes it worth $2k, but I won't be holding my breath. I agree that they'd sell a bunch of it was $500 cheaper. Who knows? After they've been on the market for a while, the price might drop $500. I think The Insanity will have to end first, as they will probably sell all they make until the supply line of regular AR stuff catches up to demand.

It's possible that they are just riding that wave for the moment, and had a more realistic price point in mind before this bull market kicked off in November.

Mike

I have to echo - I saw nothing, (or missed it), that says this take standard AR mags, just that it comes with 3 30 round mags...proprietary Rugaer mags? Call it dead now if so.
Price is too high, indeed, in my humble opinion.

I have to echo - I saw nothing, (or missed it), that says this take standard AR mags, just that it comes with 3 30 round mags...proprietary Rugaer mags? Call it dead now if so.

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See this, it was posted in another thread:

they didn't make tiehr own, thankfully, they are Pmags.

I do find it interesting that a major manufacturer, whom you would think would have inside sources on such things, isn't afraid to introduce a brand new rifle, with all the the costs involved with such a venture, during a time when many fear a return of a legislative ban on such guns.

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Really, i don't think Ruger is making much of it in house, most of the stuff is from other companies. I have heard that the recievers are bought from a large maker also.

I have to echo - I saw nothing, (or missed it), that says this take standard AR mags, just that it comes with 3 30 round mags...proprietary Rugaer mags? Call it dead now if so.
Price is too high, indeed, in my humble opinion.

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** Chambered in the popular 5.56mm NATO/.223 Rem., the SR-556 comes with 3 MAGPUL PMAG 30-round magazines

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I have to echo - I saw nothing, (or missed it), that says this take standard AR mags, just that it comes with 3 30 round mags...proprietary Rugaer mags? Call it dead now if so.
Price is too high, indeed, in my humble opinion.

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You missed it...........they are Magpul 30 round P-Mags which fit every AR out there!!!

they didn't make tiehr own, thankfully, they are Pmags.

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So I wonder what they actually ARE making on this.

Outsourcing the lower it seems. Just making the upper and attaching Troy handguard?

Be interesting to see how much of it is actually Ruger.

Well, I, for one, wish them all the success. The carbine looks good.

Congrats, Ruger!!

So I wonder what they actually ARE making on this.

Outsourcing the lower it seems. Just making the upper and attaching Troy handguard?

Be interesting to see how much of it is actually Ruger.

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(not much it seems)

I think they are ever buying the uppers out of house. Then the piston system is reported to be similar to the adams arms conversion, so they might be buying the piston assemblies from adams arms. And so on...

Ruger etches a mean logo on other people's stuff.... Have to give them that!