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I have a full size M&P9, and I like it a lot. It's accurate, easy to maintain, and cheap to feed.
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How does it compare to a glock as far as accuracy and durability?
I seem to remember posts on here about their M&P's rusting.
I seem to remember posts on here about their M&P's rusting.
I like mine. The Apex Tactical sear/trigger upgrade is better than the 9Pro trigger. I did not like the rear sight on the 9JG, a Warren Tactical maybe but I forget and that is personal preference. Changed it to a Novak.
Mine have the reliability of a light switch.
Mine have the reliability of a light switch.
I have an M&P Pro 5" and I love it. I bought it for IDPA. No failures to extract at all. I read where some early models had some problems, but mine is perfect. I plan on buying another after the hollidays with night sights for a daily carry gun.
I was not a great fan of the M&P when it first came out. I saw it as a product improved Glock and it does have great ergos, but I just wasn't interested in being a beta tester for S&W. I was correct in waiting, because they did have their teething problems, with their mag releases, backstraps and strikers.
They seem to have address all the issues that have come up and recent reports have been very positive. There has also been time for the after market to develop to address refinements to their shootability...both send away tuning and mail order DIY parts with instructional videos.
Their major advantage over other guns in their class are their interface with the user hands. I've been giving them a workout lately and their design does indeed have he least felt recoil, in each caliber (I've tried 9mm, .40 & .45ACP), that I've experienced and hence very fast recovery times between shots.
Their major shortcoming is the feel of their triggers. They have a rather mushy/gritty trigger pull and indistinct reset. The reset certainly does not approach the level of the Glock G19 or G22 I compared them to. The Apex Tactical DCAEK parts are a godsend for correcting this shortcoming and bring the M&P up to parity
I've been very impressed with the evolution of the M&P in the short time it has been out
They seem to have address all the issues that have come up and recent reports have been very positive. There has also been time for the after market to develop to address refinements to their shootability...both send away tuning and mail order DIY parts with instructional videos.
Their major advantage over other guns in their class are their interface with the user hands. I've been giving them a workout lately and their design does indeed have he least felt recoil, in each caliber (I've tried 9mm, .40 & .45ACP), that I've experienced and hence very fast recovery times between shots.
Their major shortcoming is the feel of their triggers. They have a rather mushy/gritty trigger pull and indistinct reset. The reset certainly does not approach the level of the Glock G19 or G22 I compared them to. The Apex Tactical DCAEK parts are a godsend for correcting this shortcoming and bring the M&P up to parity
I've been very impressed with the evolution of the M&P in the short time it has been out
9mm pretty much touched on all the big differences.
I own a Glock 22 and a M&P40. The M&P is hands down a more comfortable pistol to shoot. I present on target better and sight alignment after a shot is easier to reestablish with the M&P. But I shoot the G22 more accurately, and I believe that is solely based on the trigger, specifically the reset. The M&P doesn't have a crisp reset at all, and the Glock's reset is about as good as you'll find in a polymer pistol. I'm "accurate enough" with the M&P, but can't force myself to give up the Glock 22 either. Thus why I have both.
Eventually I'll invest a few more dollars and swap out the parts to improve the M&P trigger. As far as rusting goes, there were sporadic issues with rusting. Out of the 5 that I owned, I never had a spec of rust appear on any of them, and that includes the 9c that I carried daily for several years.
they are reliable, and accurate, they are on par price wise with the other options for size, capacity etc, (ie glock, sa xd etc). I think you can't go wrong at all with an M&P. Additionally many highly respected individuals in the training industry are using M&P's, more and more it seems all the time.
I'll be the odd man out.....as I frequently am in threads concerning the M&P.
I've shot a half dozen of these plastic wonders. LOUSY triggers. No distinct reset. Dust covers drooping away from the frame.
Over priced and over hyped for what they are. Ugly looking striker fired plastic guns. No thanks!
I've shot a half dozen of these plastic wonders. LOUSY triggers. No distinct reset. Dust covers drooping away from the frame.
Over priced and over hyped for what they are. Ugly looking striker fired plastic guns. No thanks!
fastbolt
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As an owner and armorer I've posted a fair number of answers to this sort of question about the M&P pistol line. I don't have the time this morning to try and recreate those postings in this thread, so suffice to say I think S&W has a real winner on its hand with the M&P pistol line.
Having attended something like 7 armorer classes for 3 other plastic-framed pistol product lines, I've come to be of the opinion that S&W has adopted some interesting and useful refinements and features in the M&P.
Yes, they've been busy making some revisions and some assorted improvements (and identifying some vendor issues) since the model line was released in Jan '06. They aren't the only major firearm manufacturer who have had to make ... or are still having to make ... some revisions and changes in their plastic-framed model line.
Some folks have complained about the trigger reset. Personally, I don't train myself or anyone to shoot to "trigger reset" when it comes to defensive drills and skills. Then again, I'm not a sport/target/competitive shooter.
I've seen more shooters than I can remember experience unintended subsequent shots on a training/qual range when trying to release a trigger to its "reset point" and hold it there before they've actually decided whether they should fire another shot. Sometimes it's seemed like it was due to being distracted and under a little stress. Sometimes it seemed as though it was caused by hand confusion, or being startled by another shooter on the range nearby. Sometimes it seemed like they "rocked off" an unintended shot due to trying to manage recoil while trying to release their trigger just to the "reset" point.
Whatever the causes may have been, you can bet that if those unintended rounds had been fired off the range, in the real world, and had injured or killed someone that should not have been shot, it would have been an issue. I wouldn't want to be the person to try and explain on the stand that I'd been violating one of the most stressed rules in firearms handling because I wanted to keep my finger on the trigger to keep it at the "reset point".
That's just me, though ...
The triggers seem to improve with usage. The standard factory tolerance for trigger pull is 6 1/2lbs +/- 2lbs for the 9/.40/.357 models and 7lbs +/- 2 lbs for the .45 guns. My M&P 45 was on the distinct heavy end of the acceptable range, and a bit rough when new, although that didn't stop it from exhibiting a predictable break and excellent accuracy. By the time I checked it again at approx 2,500 rounds it was feeling much smoother and the gauge showed it to be producing averaged sets of trigger pulls from 5 1/2 - 6lbs (stock).
I have other thoughts, but I have to go.
I think it's a great design which is quickly becoming better and benefiting from increasing refinement.
I'm planning to buy a 3rd one next year.
I enjoy shooting my M&P 45 more than my various 1911's, FWIW. Weird, but there you are.
I'm also considering ordering a Performance Center 1911 and/or a PC 945, too, so I'll add to my metal-framed .45's if all goes well.
I own 9 .45 pistols, and the M&P 45 is the only plastic-framed one in the bunch ... for now.
Having attended something like 7 armorer classes for 3 other plastic-framed pistol product lines, I've come to be of the opinion that S&W has adopted some interesting and useful refinements and features in the M&P.
Yes, they've been busy making some revisions and some assorted improvements (and identifying some vendor issues) since the model line was released in Jan '06. They aren't the only major firearm manufacturer who have had to make ... or are still having to make ... some revisions and changes in their plastic-framed model line.
Some folks have complained about the trigger reset. Personally, I don't train myself or anyone to shoot to "trigger reset" when it comes to defensive drills and skills. Then again, I'm not a sport/target/competitive shooter.
I've seen more shooters than I can remember experience unintended subsequent shots on a training/qual range when trying to release a trigger to its "reset point" and hold it there before they've actually decided whether they should fire another shot. Sometimes it's seemed like it was due to being distracted and under a little stress. Sometimes it seemed as though it was caused by hand confusion, or being startled by another shooter on the range nearby. Sometimes it seemed like they "rocked off" an unintended shot due to trying to manage recoil while trying to release their trigger just to the "reset" point.
Whatever the causes may have been, you can bet that if those unintended rounds had been fired off the range, in the real world, and had injured or killed someone that should not have been shot, it would have been an issue. I wouldn't want to be the person to try and explain on the stand that I'd been violating one of the most stressed rules in firearms handling because I wanted to keep my finger on the trigger to keep it at the "reset point".
That's just me, though ...
The triggers seem to improve with usage. The standard factory tolerance for trigger pull is 6 1/2lbs +/- 2lbs for the 9/.40/.357 models and 7lbs +/- 2 lbs for the .45 guns. My M&P 45 was on the distinct heavy end of the acceptable range, and a bit rough when new, although that didn't stop it from exhibiting a predictable break and excellent accuracy. By the time I checked it again at approx 2,500 rounds it was feeling much smoother and the gauge showed it to be producing averaged sets of trigger pulls from 5 1/2 - 6lbs (stock).
I have other thoughts, but I have to go.
I think it's a great design which is quickly becoming better and benefiting from increasing refinement.
I'm planning to buy a 3rd one next year.
I enjoy shooting my M&P 45 more than my various 1911's, FWIW. Weird, but there you are.
I'm also considering ordering a Performance Center 1911 and/or a PC 945, too, so I'll add to my metal-framed .45's if all goes well.
I own 9 .45 pistols, and the M&P 45 is the only plastic-framed one in the bunch ... for now.
Like some others I have come late to the M&P party. A year ago I acquired a 9mm FS and shortly thereafter bought a 5" Pro9 that I am now using for STEEL Challenge, IDPA, and club matches.
I have replaced the guts of the Pro9 with the APEX Competition kit and a RAM and the FS which I use with my 1911's for CCW I put the CARRY Kit APEX puts out. I also put a RAM in the FS and replaced the Novak rear that comes on the Pro9 with a Warren Tactical. They both run very good.
They have the Glock like reset, and actually fit my hand, unlike a glock.
I got a compact too. I put the Performance center sear in it that I had taken out of the Pro9 and may not put an APEX kit in the compact. Had my daughter try it, I have her try every compact gun I own and/or get, and she still prefers her Springfield EMP for CCW.
I like the M&P family. Reliable, accurate and I find them new cheaper than Glocks.
Go figure.
Fred
I have replaced the guts of the Pro9 with the APEX Competition kit and a RAM and the FS which I use with my 1911's for CCW I put the CARRY Kit APEX puts out. I also put a RAM in the FS and replaced the Novak rear that comes on the Pro9 with a Warren Tactical. They both run very good.
They have the Glock like reset, and actually fit my hand, unlike a glock.
I got a compact too. I put the Performance center sear in it that I had taken out of the Pro9 and may not put an APEX kit in the compact. Had my daughter try it, I have her try every compact gun I own and/or get, and she still prefers her Springfield EMP for CCW.
I like the M&P family. Reliable, accurate and I find them new cheaper than Glocks.
Go figure.
Fred
The M&P is a fine weapon. I have a 9Pro that I've used in IDPA for a couple of years. Recently I decided to get my first .45. I thought it was going to be a 1911 but after trying several of them I went with the M&P45. I liked the way it felt and shot better than the rest. Even though the stock trigger isn't as bad as some make it sound, the Apex stuff is highly recommended.
I really like them. I had a service sized M&P 9 that I sold to a guy for more than I paid for it. I took that money and turned right around and bought an M&P9 Pro. I also ordered a 4 inch slide direct from S&W so I could effectivly have two different size guns.
I dated a lady that was all about the officer's model 1911s, but I got her to convert and she ended up with an M&P 45 compact. Theyare great guns for the money. And they are small hand friendly. My only real complaint is the magazines are expensive.
I dated a lady that was all about the officer's model 1911s, but I got her to convert and she ended up with an M&P 45 compact. Theyare great guns for the money. And they are small hand friendly. My only real complaint is the magazines are expensive.
I've had my 9mm full size for 3 years. Put every thing through it, ammo wise, never jammed or mailfunctioned in any way. I even bought and sold a compact .40 which also had the same reliability. Great guns.
I shot a full-size 9mm as a rental, which impressed me enough to buy a 9mm compact as a carry gun. It was 100% reliable from the very first round, accurate and ergonomic (in fact, I've often called them a "better-feeling Glock"). My only criticism is the thickness of the slide which makes it slightly less comfortable to carry IWB than a slimmer gun; IMO a dedicated 9mm model - instead of the same gun made for .40 and .357 SIG - could be made thinner.
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I am a Glock fan, but also a fan of M&P pistols.
- M&Ps are one of few "fully ambi" pistols with ambi slide release, safety (on some models) and reversible mag release.
- Ergonomics are much better than Glocks as I do not need to adjust my grip to release the magazine
- 3 different size palm inserts are great for smaller hand shooters. My wife can comfortably handle M&P40/45 with small inserts. I am comfortable with the medium inserts. Like the comfortable grip of single stack 1911s, M&P grips provide me with a "Ooooo, nice grip!" feel each time I handle them.
- New factory trigger is heavier than Glock with longer reset (yes, I am a match shooter) but the trigger is easily improved. Polish job on the trigger definitely improves the shot groups. You can easily drop in an APEX sear.
- I bought the 4.5" M&P45 with the full intent of doing the trigger job myself (about 50% of APEX sear cut). Now the trigger is about 4 lbs, smooth with shorter reset. It regularly shoots 1" groups at 15 yards feeding/chambering LSWC like butter.
- Barrels are match grade tight with standard land/groove rifling so I shoot lead reloads with a smile.
- 40S&W to 9mm conversion barrels are available
I have shot many 45 pistols over the years (I am also a fan of 1911) but I have to admit I really like the M&P45.
M&Ps are nothing like Glocks. They're more like slick looking XDs. If you like XDs you'll probably like the M&P better. If you like Glocks ; well..............you like Glocks.
im Liking the thoughts of a M&P plus it American and we need to support our companies.
have a 1911 45.Would you stay 45 ot maybe get a 9 MM or 40 S&W? How much does the 4.5 barrel cut from performance of say a 5 inch barrel
have a 1911 45.Would you stay 45 ot maybe get a 9 MM or 40 S&W? How much does the 4.5 barrel cut from performance of say a 5 inch barrel
I'm a hardcore 1911 devotee. M&P 9 FS is easily my favorite Tupperware. This pistol is the Hi-Power JMB would've designed, if he were doing it today. It really marries the practicality of a modern striker fired pistol with the beautiful ergonomic of a 1911 or a Hi-Power. With the APEX sear and striker block installed, the trigger characteristic is outstanding. Glockophiles will bemoan the reset, which is rather vague, relative to that of a Glock. I personally always found the Glock reset to be on the obnoxious side of positive. My two Glock 19's, though I like them very much, mostly sit at home, now. This M&P has been my EDC, and a comforting companion, for the past few months:
I LOVE my 357sig M&P!...
I bought a 357 barrel for my compact .40 M&P that is now my carry gun and got a full size 357 M&P. That round is amazing! I have since become a major believer and advocate to the 357 round. It is an accurate and FAST round with ballistics similar to the .357 Magnum!... Nothing better than a .355 projectile at 124grains
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