• You are using the old Black Responsive theme. We have installed a new dark theme for you, called UI.X. This will work better with the new upgrade of our software. You can select it at the bottom of any page.

Woodman's Pal-Military ever issue them?

Status
Not open for further replies.

Molasses

Member
Joined
Jun 3, 2007
Messages
234
Location
Anoka, MN
Hi All,

I'm hoping some of you can give me some info about an old Woodsman's Pal that a friend had for years and I recently traded into. HE bought it at a garage sale and it didn't look new then. Assorted views, including of all the markings I could find:
MVC-142F.jpg
MVC-141F.jpg
MVC-139F.jpg
MVC-140F.jpg
One very odd and interesting thing about it was that when the friend got it, he says it had a small booklet or manual (two total) in each of two interior pockets in the scabbard; one describing how to use it as a tool for clearing brush, setting up campsites and such and the other about how to use it as a weapon. Over the course of the years, several moves, a house fire and leaving it outside where it got rained on, the booklets got separated from the rest of it and there's little likelihood that they're going to turn up again. My friend isn't in the habit of lying and IF he made up the story about the manuals, he's certainly been consistant and not shy to share the tale with people who could call BS on him, as I've heard about them at least a couple of dozen times over the years as he told the story to folks at gun shows, military collectors/re-enactors and pretty much anyone that would stand still long enough.
Empty pockets:
MVC-143F.jpg

Seems that the most likely reason to include a booklet on using such a tool as a weapon would be if it were made for a military contract.
So, is anyone aware of any military issue of the Woodsman's Pal?
Secondly, has anyone ever heard of a little pamplet/booklet/manual about using one as a weapon before now?
 
Yes.
The LC-14-B was military issue in WWII and used by air crews, signal corp, and anyone else that needed one and could get their hands on one.

One of the booklets even refers to it as the "White Mans Machete"!

When issued, they came with a set of three books.
Woodsmanbooks1.jpg
Woodsmanbooks3.jpg
Woodsmanbooks2.jpg

Also included in the pockets were a round sharpening stone, a fishing kit in a paper envelope consisting of string and some fishhooks, and a magnifying glass for starting fires.

Reprints are available from Woodsman's Pal.
http://www.woodmanspal.com/categories/Accessories

There was also a steel half sheath that was mounted inside aircraft.

Another contract was let during Vietnam for them, and a company called Frank & Warren, Inc. won.
Their version (Type IV Survival Ax) was slightly shorter, and IMO a little more clumsy to use then the original LC-14-B.
They were included in the survival gear on-board Huey helicopters and other aircraft.

rc
 
Last edited:
Hello friends and neighbors // The LC-14-B was issued to U.S. troops in WWII.

I do not know how to find out which branch or where this one was used.

Nice old piece of U.S. history.


---wow do i really type that slow,,,7 min...must have been the phone call
 
Thanks for the help! Reprints, that was going to be the next question if it turned out that the manuals existed. Cool.
 
For some reason I couldn't get any of the woodsmanspal.com linkage to open. Including trying a search and following the one that came up there. No matter: The Knife Depot came up in the search and had the reprint manuals available. They should get here in about a week.

:eek:I'm feeling sheepish at the moment: the leather handle on this LC-14-B is in pretty rough shape and just yesterday I was using it to clear brush, vines and saplings along the fence. It's retired as of now. Having used one and seen for myself how well it works, there'll be a new Woodsman's Pal in my future to use instead...
 
The new ones ain't worth a tinkers dam!

They changed the edge bevel to almost 45 degrees and they just don't cut like the old ones with the thinner bevel.

I'd suggest buying a better LC-14-B on ebay with the money a new one costs and "collecting" it.
Then use the one you got.

Put several coats of Johnson's Paste Floor Wax on the leather handle to help preserve it.
Clean up the blade rust with 0000 Super Fine steel wool & oil.
Then wax the blade with the paste floor wax too.

rc
 
Last edited:
RCModel, I'll try following your advice. Or maybe just the advice about trying to keep the handle useable on the one I have and using it...I'm not entirely sure I need a second one to collect, but I sure want to have one to use from now on.

Was busy writing the above during the time HSO's comments came up. Hmm. Now I gotta think some more. I can get the bevel on a new one re-ground to a sharper angle. That friend I traded the thing out of messes around with knifemaking and could do it pretty handily. For that matter, I've got a good bench grinder and could probably do it myself by being slow and careful not to take off anything I shouldn't or overheat the metal.
 
Last edited:
Pretty hard to change the bevel on the semi-circle brush hook.

I suppose it could be done with a drum sander and a lot of grinding.
But the original ones are better all the way around just the way they made them.
Even the handle is more comfortable then the new ones.

rc
 
Watch Out! Gerber is now marketing a Chinese copy of the Woodsman Pal. It is marketed in a hang package, with a retail pice of $30.95 - approximately half the wholesale price of the Woodsman's Pal still being produced in Penna.

:(
 
Been meaning to ask this for years ... now's good a time as any.

How is the 'hook' used? (Don't know the proper term.)

I've always assumed perhaps hooking and cutting vines or undergrowth, but I've never even seen a real one, let alone used one.

Hmm. Guess I could download the manuals, but too lazy. (ETA: oops, they're not free.)

Must be a video of use out there somewhere ... :scrutiny:

_____

ETA 2: from here.

The sickle hook feature is chiseled sharp to slice through underbrush and vines and briars,
and it can be used to pry sprouts from the ground as well.
 
Been meaning to ask this for years ... now's good a time as any.

How is the 'hook' used? (Don't know the proper term.)

I've always assumed perhaps hooking and cutting vines or undergrowth, but I've never even seen a real one, let alone used one.

Hmm. Guess I could download the manuals, but too lazy. (ETA: oops, they're not free.)

Must be a video of use out there somewhere ... :scrutiny:

_____

ETA 2: from here.
I only have one afternoon's experience of using one and the only armed opponents engaged were of the thorned variety. That said, the hook worked well as described in the quote from the mfg's site (I found the guard to be useful as a handhold for the other hand while brush hooking really thick and stubborn stuff) and it worked REALLY well on saplings trying to grow up through chain link fence. Just ease the tip of the hook in behind the stem at one of the fence openings, pry outwards and that's that. Plus, that extra weight out at the far end made regular hacking about like using a standard machete, on steroids.

When I did my search earlier, it listed a video review. I (still) only have dialup, so I haven't watched it and have no idea if it's any good. With any luck, the below will be the right link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLBhN-8etiM
 
Thanks, Molasses. I found that vid earlier after reading your thread.

Adequate, but nothing to write home about. Most of his use is staged on light vegetation.

I want to see one used in a jungle in SE Asia.

PS: Here is my Woodmans' pal analog.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top